Tech Deceptions

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Just a quick one. There exists the technology to beam energy from an aircraft or satellite. Revelation 13v13 suggests this 'power' is granted to the 'second beast' to destroy by fire on the earth. Recent 'wild fires' in California and Greece show signs of the use of energy weapons. Houses are evaporated to the foundation, brick and stone vaporized, cars are incinerated at temperatures far higher than normal wild fires. Aluminium and glass melted. This is not to cause fear, but to inform. Remember Daniel 3, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego were untouched by the furnace. No fear.
 

tourist

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On the other hand perhaps the destruction was caused by a forest fire burning out of control. No fear for me as I don't live in California but live in Florida. Maybe some energy could be beamed my way because I have been feeling tired and drained lately.
 
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Ohh tech deceptions, I blame it on the Internet you know.



 
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Reading all of chapter 13, in context, has no connection to this unproven claim.
 
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Reading all of chapter 13, in context, has no connection to this unproven claim.
We see what we need to see. My post was a 'claim', but an observation. Re Revelation 13 context, this is where I see meaning.

" 11Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. "

There are plenty of vids of the destruction in Santa Rosa fires, for example. Firefighters testify this is far too hot to be a 'forest fire' or 'brush fire'. Stone doesn't burn, nor bricks. Structural timbers char to about a one inch depth, but remain structural in a normal house fire. Melted cars in the street next to standing un-burned trees. We see what fits our paradigm and knowledge. Mine is flawed as anyone's.
 
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We see what we need to see. My post was a 'claim', but an observation. Re Revelation 13 context, this is where I see meaning.

" 11Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. "

There are plenty of vids of the destruction in Santa Rosa fires, for example. Firefighters testify this is far too hot to be a 'forest fire' or 'brush fire'. Stone doesn't burn, nor bricks. Structural timbers char to about a one inch depth, but remain structural in a normal house fire. Melted cars in the street next to standing un-burned trees. We see what fits our paradigm and knowledge. Mine is flawed as anyone's.
Well, in context refers to the entirety and how it affects what we read. You isolated a single scripture, removed from it's intended context, and said "see it's in the bible". So, essentially, that's meaningless because everything else surrounding it has a very specific meaning and context it's written in. Removing it from that context is merely changing the bible to meet your ideas. Invalidating your claim.
With your logic we could say the bible proves the existence of life on other planets.
Deuteronomy 14:21
You shall not eat anything which dies of itself. You may give it to the alien who is in your town,
But is that the correct context?

You absolutely did make a claim. You claim Rev 13 is evidence of your claim that fires were set by space lasers. Two claims.
Yet you provided zero evidence. You tell us what other people supposedly said. That's not proof or observation.
You claim there are plenty of videos yet not one is here. Are we just supposed to take your word for it on these two statements?
This is the problem with conspiracy theories, when questioned to prove them the majority don't even try. They think because they make claims that's all that's needed. Wrong.

And lets say that these interviews with firemen making these statements are real. That these are verifiable firemen actually working the scene and seeing things first hand, which would not be satisfactory to assume in a real scenario. How do you get from them claiming these are not normal fires to satellites in space using special hidden technology to start fires purposefully. And why?
Wouldn't it be more feasible to send a few guys out to start fires than using an advanced tech alerting people to its existence? If an attack why not attack more relevant places?
But here's the catch to any answers you provide. It will all be unprovable. You'll have to guess and presume a good bit of it, and yet rather than accept that there is no clear, proven line from point A to point B you'll insist you know enough to prove it.
And when cornered with the inability to provide facts it becomes "well it's just a theory". The fail safe get out of jail free card when you cant support your claims.
Nothing personal. It's just the standard MO for conspiracy theorists. It gets old.
 
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[QUOTE It gets old.[/QUOTE]
Hi Ugly, sorry to annoy you. You want proof. Do the research if you wish. Jesus warned about deceptions in the final days. A convincing deception is hard to disprove, without the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit. Edification. I can give you bags of links about the technology and weaponry, and 'calling down fire from heaven' is one of the counterfeit 'wonders' clearly warned about. Rev 13v13 in context. I drew attention to this as a possible, even likely reality. One thing I don't like about contentions is how a clear, sincere observation becomes a 'serious error' to be called out by an ego needing to dominate others. Oh Dear. Drama. What do you reckon is the source of the beast's 'fire from heaven'? Any notion? Please share. My observation was utterly in context with the scripture cited and you can put me down if you really need to. It's easy to flame others' observations, not so easy to lay out your own for scrutiny. Strong people lift others up, weak people put others down. Crack on, bro. Seems I hit a nerve. Sorry.
 
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Hi Ugly, sorry to annoy you. You want proof. Do the research if you wish. Jesus warned about deceptions in the final days. A convincing deception is hard to disprove, without the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit. Edification. I can give you bags of links about the technology and weaponry, and 'calling down fire from heaven' is one of the counterfeit 'wonders' clearly warned about. Rev 13v13 in context. I drew attention to this as a possible, even likely reality. One thing I don't like about contentions is how a clear, sincere observation becomes a 'serious error' to be called out by an ego needing to dominate others. Oh Dear. Drama. What do you reckon is the source of the beast's 'fire from heaven'? Any notion? Please share. My observation was utterly in context with the scripture cited and you can put me down if you really need to. It's easy to flame others' observations, not so easy to lay out your own for scrutiny. Strong people lift others up, weak people put others down. Crack on, bro. Seems I hit a nerve. Sorry.
Such is the role of the Christian conspiracy theorist. Or so many Christians at all. Dare to question them, to ask them to give more than their word, and somehow thats unloving and attacking.
In fact I didn't make a single attack against you personally. I questioned the things you said, and even opened the door for you to prove me wrong by asking you to show me otherwise.
And from that you accuse me of various attacks. You were backed into a corner, had no answers then lash out with Personal attacks irrelevant to the conversation or anything I said.

I simply asked you to clarify and provide evidence. You accused me of tearing people down, being weak, putting you down, ego, dramatic, dominating.
There's six accusations you made about me, personally. Now, show me where I made six personal accusations against you.
You said "go find the answers yourself", which is exactly the response I anticipated.
When one lays out a theory it is up to that person to prove and defend it. The two go hand in hand. But in your case you feel you don't need to defend your theory?

I anticipated the "go look it up yourself" response, the refrain of conspiracy theorists everywhere when questioned. But false accusations and personal attacks out of the starting gate? I did not see that coming. Bravo to you for surprising me.
I can see now you're not genuinely informed or interested in supporting what you say, so further time spent with you is a practice in futility. Much like banging ones head against a brick wall waiting for answers it cant provide. Have fun with your little theories.
 
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Such is the role of the Christian conspiracy theorist. Or so many Christians at all. Dare to question them, to ask them to give more than their word, and somehow thats unloving and attacking.
In fact I didn't make a single attack against you personally. I questioned the things you said, and even opened the door for you to prove me wrong by asking you to show me otherwise.
And from that you accuse me of various attacks. You were backed into a corner, had no answers then lash out with Personal attacks irrelevant to the conversation or anything I said.

I simply asked you to clarify and provide evidence. You accused me of tearing people down, being weak, putting you down, ego, dramatic, dominating.
There's six accusations you made about me, personally. Now, show me where I made six personal accusations against you.
You said "go find the answers yourself", which is exactly the response I anticipated.
When one lays out a theory it is up to that person to prove and defend it. The two go hand in hand. But in your case you feel you don't need to defend your theory?

I anticipated the "go look it up yourself" response, the refrain of conspiracy theorists everywhere when questioned. But false accusations and personal attacks out of the starting gate? I did not see that coming. Bravo to you for surprising me.
I can see now you're not genuinely informed or interested in supporting what you say, so further time spent with you is a practice in futility. Much like banging ones head against a brick wall waiting for answers it cant provide. Have fun with your little theories.
Looking through your posts it becomes evident you do not encourage. Playing the victim to dominate a situation is a girl thing, usually. Have fun with it. Gotta let your non-sense ego thing free. I do facts. I will give you details as I said, but not here to prove anything, just observe. You seem to do put-down drama and such in your posts. Trying to help you forward. All the best, amigo. Try to avoid calling people names if possible, buddy. It's rude from the gate. Which you were.
 
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The Lunatics have taken over the Asylum
Aren't you sussed. Do share what you understand about directed energy weapons. i helped develop maser beams at CalTech in the 70's. That is only one flavour of energy weapon. Take the mick? Show your hand.
 

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lol, and the whole while no one opens their wallet and pulls out their debit card,slides it and enters the number of their name that none know but them with their right hand,,,so much for anyone actually calculating it...
 

Alertandawake

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We see what we need to see. My post was a 'claim', but an observation. Re Revelation 13 context, this is where I see meaning.

" 11Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. "
It does give the impression of some kind of energy weapon, like a laser beam for example to target areas on the ground. Read up on the MiG 35 fighter jet.
 

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Just a quick one. There exists the technology to beam energy from an aircraft or satellite. Revelation 13v13 suggests this 'power' is granted to the 'second beast' to destroy by fire on the earth. Recent 'wild fires' in California and Greece show signs of the use of energy weapons. Houses are evaporated to the foundation, brick and stone vaporized, cars are incinerated at temperatures far higher than normal wild fires. Aluminium and glass melted. This is not to cause fear, but to inform. Remember Daniel 3, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego were untouched by the furnace. No fear.
Areyou suggesting that ''The Beast is using places like California and Greece for target practice?
 
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he targets the 'weak' and the 'ungodly' first and foremost in order to get his way -
it is seems to be working!!!