Not By Works

Saying you have faith in od, yet doing NOTHING he tells you, only goes to prove you never haed faith in God.

You can’t logically or sincerely sy you have faith in a person. Yet never do a thing they want, ask or suggest.

Thats why james said if we claim to have faith but never do what he says (works) our faith is dead. Lifeless. Non existant. A dead faith has never saved a person, is not saving anyone, and will never save anyone. Even demons believe, If they had faith in god they never would have left. They left because they did not trust God.

Romans 1 is to "those who hold the TRUTH in unrighteousness". Romans 1:18

Paul says that "they are without excuse". Romans 1:19

Paul says "when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither thankful, but became vain in their imaginations and their foolish heart was darkened". Romans 1:20

Paul is denying that there is such a doctrine as OSAS. These people had the truth, but loved their imaginations and their foolish hearts were darkened. Were in the light (baptism of the spirit and saved) and then fell away and turned to darkness (lost their light and their salvation).

Dude, you need to study more. Paul says we all know od thats why we are without excuse. He is not talking about people who were saved and then did whatever you think they did to lose salvation.

His point is no one will have an excuse on judgment day, Not that eternal security is a lie.

Coming to realise that I do not know much given the above and the conversations for the last few pages.

I'm just gonna love people and walk with them in their endeavours to be like Jesus.

No offense meant to anyone above and over the last few pages.

I will research what has been discussed over the last few pages but to be honest I feel it has no bearing on salvation, no bearing in being set free in Jesus.

God bless you all in your endeavours.

That is a straw man......two different words with two different meanings and two different applications cannot be compared to your cited example because Jesus is one....Son of God and Son of man....and to be honest, i am surprised at the frivilous way you disregard thilipsis and orge.....not very honest really bro!

You have a point. Let me revise the example. I was baptized of the Holy Spirit, and have faith in Jesus and trust in Jesus and my new person and as so many in the bible start out on fire for Jesus, but then something happens and they start slowing down and eventually fall away or turn from the truth and back to their unrighteousness.

Do you know any born-again Christian who was very active in their new person, but is no longer serving Jesus, and in fact has fallen away? You can say, they never were saved in the beginning, or you can say they were saved, but lost their way and will lose their salvation unless they see their fall and repent and come back to Jesus. Either way OSAS is not a correct doctrine.

I fully agree there is peace 100% I just do not believe it is the 3.5 years pushed by the imminent returners....

I gave an example. One of many.

Gods wrath causes great tribulation.

Its not to hard..

Well if the covenant is made in the begining, and broken in the middle. Thats 3.5. Thats good enough for me..

You have a point. Let me revise the example. I was baptized of the Holy Spirit, and have faith in Jesus and trust in Jesus and my new person and as so many in the bible start out on fire for Jesus, but then something happens and they start slowing down and eventually fall away or turn from the truth and back to their unrighteousness.

Do you know any born-again Christian who was very active in their new person, but is no longer serving Jesus, and in fact has fallen away? You can say, they never were saved in the beginning, or you can say they were saved, but lost their way and will lose their salvation unless they see their fall and repent and come back to Jesus. Either way OSAS is not a correct doctrine.

No....God's wrath decimates the planet and few men left when he gets done....nice try...no ceeegar hahahha

You have a point. Let me revise the example. I was baptized of the Holy Spirit, and have faith in Jesus and trust in Jesus and my new person and as so many in the bible start out on fire for Jesus, but then something happens and they start slowing down and eventually fall away or turn from the truth and back to their unrighteousness.

Do you know any born-again Christian who was very active in their new person, but is no longer serving Jesus, and in fact has fallen away? You can say, they never were saved in the beginning, or you can say they were saved, but lost their way and will lose their salvation unless they see their fall and repent and come back to Jesus. Either way OSAS is not a correct doctrine.

Then one would have to question whether in fact you have true saving faith and trust in the Lord who died and rose again you.

Is God going to baptise someone of/into the Holy Spirit knowing full well that all they are going to sit on their arse and do nothing?

I think not.

He knows those who want a get out jail free card, a free lunch.
God knows who are genuine and those who are not.

That is why he said

Matthew 13:23
23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”

Matthew 13:27-30
27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

Ps I have asked you many many times and can't ever recall a response (which I said the last few times I have asked)

So what do you mean by being baptised of the Holy Spirit and what does it entail?
I have got from other posts of yours is that it's essential to salvation. Am I getting you wrong?

Last time I will ask.

Except for the fact that Daniel 12 states there are yet 1335 days left......not 2520...........

Being new in the Lord is the honeymoon period, after the infatuation simmers the lusts return and so do the old ways. After Peter denied the Lord he hid in an upper room. Jesus told Mary Magdaline, directly "Go tell the Apostles and Peter... He didn't tell Peter depart from me I never knew you. That's for fakes.

Peter is a good example of a person that turned and denied Jesus, but did repent and make his way back. Jesus fully forgave him of his misstep, and Peter died with honor in Jesus. How many Peter types do you know. How many others do you know that have never returned, have never repented, and will never come back, and will lose what they had, salvation.

Peter is a good example of a person that turned and denied Jesus, but did repent and make his way back. Jesus fully forgave him of his misstep, and Peter died with honor in Jesus. How many Peter types do you know. How many others do you know that have never returned, have never repented, and will never come back, and will lose what they had, salvation.

or did they realy have it? Peter couldn't lose salvation because he never had any before the crucifixion.

Benher, you have been coming here to a conservative Christian forum since last February, spouting off how Christians who are, "saved by grace through faith - not by works lest no one can boast", are looking for a free pass to the Kingdom of God. Stop this insult to all of Christianity; no one who is a True Believer in Christ sits around doing nothing. Again and again I have asked you politely and you refuse to answer;

Benher, what Church are you affiliated with everybody would like to know.

We are saved to do good works we are not saved by our good works.

Epheasians2:8
8) For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God 9) not by works, so that no one can boast. 10) For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.