Not By Works

You missed the most important people that Jesus gave us. See Ephesians 4:11
Ephesians 4:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

If we do not have living apostles and prophets can we ever come to the truth? We have pastors and evangelists and teachers and the bible, but we have confusion. Will Jesus ever send apostles and prophets again?

Any day in Peoria is a bad day. Sorry for your loss.

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I agree....was a dirty city....

No, you missed what I was talking about.

You can save it to your hard drive and post it every so often Well, I lost access to the free online program I had worked in for months, so now I am learning a new program Oh, and the topic of the graphic was such that I hesitated to put my beloved equines on it LOLOLOL I surrounded it with the thorns from the fall of man

Hahah thanks....gonna screen shot it and save it.....on phone in Au so limited is 945 Am Saturday

Look at you Post again. I think this program has a GLITCH in it. It says, VCO said: and then goes on to quote, someone else. I have seen that several times in the last 2 weeks. I hope they fix the GLITCH soon. But anyhow I hope you do not mind if I respond two.

Here is one of the MOST IMPORTANT RULES of proper Biblical Interpretation.

ANY TIME YOU THINK YOU HAVE FOUND A CONTRADICTION, IT IS NOT GOD THAT MADE A MISTAKE, IT IS YOU THAT HAVE MISINTERPRETED ONE OR TWO OF THE VERSES.

So the verses that YOU THOUGHT PROVED OSAS wrong, were misinterpreted by you. PERIOD.

I just got home from work a while ago I have made a few improvements to the graphic I am glad you like it

Man, do YOU EVER TRIVIALIZE APOSTLES AND PROPHETS and are you saying you are from the Mormon Church?

HERE IS A DOSE of REALITY!

There are NO APOSTLES OR PROPHETS ALIVE TODAY. Here is why:

There were people in Paul's day, that DID NOT WANT TO BELIEVE that Paul was a True Apostle. WHY? Because the Apostles HAD TO HAVE SEEN THE RESURRECTED LORD WITH THEIR OWN EYES, plus they HAD TO DEMONSTRATE the SIGNS (MIRACLES) OF AN APOSTLE.

2 Corinthians 12:11-12 (HCSB)
11 I have become a fool; you forced it on me. I should have been endorsed by you, since I am not in any way inferior to the “super-apostles,” even though I am nothing.
12 The signs of an apostle were performed with great endurance among you—not only signs but also wonders and miracles.

Acts 9:3-9 (ESV)
3 Now as he went on his way, he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven shone around him.
4 And falling to the ground he heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?”
5 And he said, “Who are you, Lord?” And he said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.
6 But rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do.”
7 The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one.
8 Saul rose from the ground, and although his eyes were opened, he saw nothing. So they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus.
9 And for three days he was without sight, and neither ate nor drank.

Paul SAW the Bright Light for a moment before it blinded him, while, the other soldiers only heard the voice. The Bright Light would have been the FULL GLORY that JESUS TOOK BACK WHEN HE ASCENDED, in other words, the Shekinah Glory.

2 Corinthians 12:1-5 (HCSB)
1 Boasting is necessary. It is not profitable, but I will move on to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2 I know a man in Christ who was caught up into the third heaven 14 years ago. Whether he was in the body or out of the body, I don’t know, God knows.
3 I know that this man—whether in the body or out of the body I don’t know, God knows—
4 was caught up into paradise. He heard inexpressible words, which a man is not allowed to speak.
5 I will boast about this person, but not about myself, except of my weaknesses.

Most Scholars think that PAUL is talking about himself, when he was Caught Up to the Third Heaven, the eternal dwelling place of GOD.

Many do not know WHY the JEWS required a Sign; it is because ALL of the Old Testament writers or the Prophet close to them DID MIRACLES TO VALIDATE THE WORDS actually came from GOD. So when the N.T. WORDS were first spoken, THEY HAD TO DO MIRACLES, or NO JEW would ever believe it came from GOD. SO PROPHETS and the APOSTLES were VALIDATED BY THOSE MIRACLES.

1 Corinthians 1:22-23 (KJV)
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

Therefore in the Beginning of the NEW TESTAMENT, they HAD TO DO MIRACLES.

AND NOW YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE THERE ARE APOSTLES AND PROPHETS TODAY?



Don't even mention those Religious Charlatans like Benny Hinn.

The BIBLE DOES MENTION, ONLY TWO PROPHETS YET to come:


Revelation 11:3-6 (HCSB)
3 I will empower my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, dressed in sackcloth.”
4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
5 If anyone wants to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and consumes their enemies; if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this way.
6 These men have the power to close up the sky so that it does not rain during the days of their prophecy. They also have power over the waters to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with every plague whenever they want.

The biggest reason I DO NOT BELIEVE ANY PROPHETS OR APOSTLES are alive today is:

Revelation 22:18-19 (HCSB)
18 I testify to everyone who hears the prophetic words of this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book.
19 And if anyone takes away from the words of this prophetic book, God will take away his share of the tree of life and the holy city, written in this book.

IT IS COMPLETE!

Who do YOU think has NEW REVELATION FROM GOD?

Who do YOU think HAS more to ADD TO THE BIBLE?

Hi VCO, is this true, benher is a Mormon. Does he know that the Mormon Church is a cult and that if he stay's in this cult he will die in his sins? Ben you need to come out from among them today.

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In no way does that in any rational application of common sense validate OSAS.

Your references refers to our status after G-d has passed judgement on our righteous life on this earth....after death.
Once He declares we have eternal salvation it cannot be lost.

While on this earth after after proper repentance and baptism we are ,,,,,born again....not saved.

I have No idea, I just wanted to ask because they believe in Apostles and Prophets are for today. Very Few Churches ever believe in Prophets or Apostles, but Some of the ultra Charismatics do. But the Mormons do for sure.

Then you are absolutely WRONG, and in NEED of NEW GLASSES.

Thought you knew better than to ADD to the Verses?

THAT IS WHAT MOST CHURCHES MEAN BY OSAS, AND LOTS OF OTHER VERSES.

Hi Ben...Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, ...

If we are NOT changed by Grace , then we are NOT saved by grace...Those who claim to walk with the Lord through lip service are the branches that are cut off , they were never nor ever children of God , for by GRACE we have been SAVED...

Judas was one of them , and there are billions of others like him , God knows who are His , being saved cannot be an act of pretence , so those who are fake will be cut of and thrown into the fire where there will be gnashing of teeth...We as Gods children have saving faith , that only comes from God , I am secure in my LORD because Romans 8:16 tells me so .The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children... This promise helps me grow each day , your words are downcast , you and many others are saying the opposite of God tells us , we will all be accountable for our actions , can you see how you can make a young one in Christ stumble with your insecurity ...

Amen! Greek scholar AT Robertson explains it well about the branches that are cut off - Two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit, the spiritual and vital which bears fruit). The fruitless (not bearing fruit, mh peron karpon) the vine-dresser "takes away" (airei) or prunes away. Probably (Bernard) Jesus here refers to Judas.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/robertsons-word-pictures/john/john-15.html

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I just NOTICED the GLARING ERROR in your LAST SENTENCE, sorry I did not read it close enough.

I write this to ENCOURAGE YOU, in your Christian Walk.

BORN AGAIN IS SAVED. SAVED HAPPENS THE DAY YOU FIRST BELIEVED.

I think I know where your confusion lies, but I will deal with that at the end of this post.

BORN AGAIN, happens BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN YOU CAN REPENT. HOW DO I KNOW? YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT IN YOU TO BRING THAT TOTAL CONVICTION OF UTTER SINFULNESS, AS HE IMMERSES US INTO THAT SPIRITUAL BODY OF CHRIST. YES THAT CONVICTION BRINGS DEEP REMORSE FOR THE SIN WE HAVE COMMITTED. I CRIED FOR HOURS.

Your Expression of after proper repentance I suspect, is nothing more than WORKS of Righteous, and WE WERE SAVED WHILE WE WERE SINNERS AND AN ENEMY OF GOD - Rom. 5:8-10. THEREBY we were SAVED by the GRACE of GOD - Eph. 2:8-9, TOTALLY APART FROM WORKS.


Titus 3:4-8 (HCSB)
4 But when the goodness of God and His love for mankind appeared,
5 He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
8 This saying is trustworthy. I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed God might be careful to devote themselves to good works. These are good and profitable for everyone.

NOTICE: It is NOT BY THE WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WE HAVE DONE. END OF SUBJECT. Yes, Christians do works of Righteous, but THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY THING TO DO WITH OUR SALVATION. Those WORKS are a product of GOD's LOVE poured or sown into our HEARTS, Rom. 5:5; and you appear to want to take credit for it. So what DOES SALVATION have to do with? It has to do with: but according to His MERCY, and GRACE.

Now You think climbing into a Baptistery caused you to be BORN AGAIN. Don't you?
That theology is so wrong, that it is hard to believe someone Churches Teach That. NO, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH WATER, and while it is a Public Identification with Christ, one step in our Christian Walk, it is not THE BAPTISM THAT SAVES or Results in Being Born Again.


1 Peter 3:19-21 (NCV)
19 And in the spirit he went and preached to the spirits in prison
20 who refused to obey God long ago in the time of Noah. God was waiting patiently for them while Noah was building the boat. Only a few people—eight in all—were saved by water.
21 And that water is like baptism that now saves you—not the washing of dirt from the body,
but the promise made to God from a good conscience. And this is because Jesus Christ was raised from the dead.


Now when did you personally ask JESUS CHRIST to come into your life to rule?

If you are a REAL CHRISTIAN, it was DAY 1, that the genuine FAITH CAME IN.

That is WHEN you were BORN AGAIN, and SAVED. And if you have NEVER invited HIM IN, I sincerely encourage you to DO SO.


Revelation 3:20 (NASB)
20 'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door,
I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.


He will not kick the Door of your Heart Open, you Have to Open the Door and Invite Him in.

In that moment of time, The Holy Spirit Comes IN, birthing YOUR once DEAD human spirit into Eternal Life, Poured GOD'S LOVE into You Heart, AND, HE IMMERSES US INTO THE SPIRITUAL BODY OF CHRIST OF WHICH HE IS HEAD, AND WE ARE THE MEMBERS.

THAT IS THE BAPTISM (IMMERSION) THAT SAVES, ALL OF THE BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS.

1 Corinthians 12:12-13 (HCSB)
12 For as the body is one and has many parts, and all the parts of that body, though many, are one body—so also is Christ.
13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.


And the statement that : born again....not saved, is so wrong, however, I think I know where your confusion lies.
You really think Salvation and Sanctification are the SAME THING. Am I right?

SALVATION - happens the Day you became a True Believer. It is the Birthing of our human spirit into ETERNAL LIFE - John 3:5-7, the Pouring of GOD's LOVE into our Hearts - Rom. 5:1-5, and the IMMERSION of our human spirit into the spiritual body of JESUS CHRIST - 1 Cor. 12-18.

SANCTIFICATION - Is a process of LEARNING to WALK LIKE CHRIST. It involves Studying the WORD and applying it to lives, BECAUSE WE LOVE HIM and the Brethren - John 14:15, 1 John 3:14-19. Anything that we DO for Christ that does NOT have a MOTIVE of LOVE FOR HIM, is nothing but Wood, Hay, and Stubble; or FILTHY RAGS that are no value to it - 1 Cor. 10-15, Isa. 64:6.

You see, GOD SAVED US Birthing our Human Spirit into Eternal Life, the day were first Genuinely BELIEVED.

Then comes the LIFE-LONG Struggle or Striving to become more and more like CHRIST and that is called Sanctification.

If all of this sounds like FOOLISHNESS to you, there is a reason:

1 Corinthians 2:14 (NIV)
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

If this is the First Time you have really surrendered to Christ because you LOVE HIM.

Welcome to the Family of GOD!