Do you think about heaven? What do you think heaven is like?

Deade · Sep 27, 2018

Among men, Enoch, Moses, Elijah, the firstfruits and Jesus entered Heaven:

[When will the “Heavens” be no more? At the Second Advent: Isaiah 33:4, 65:17, 66:22; Matthew 24:35; Mark 13:31; Luke 21:33; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 6:14 KJB Therefore, how long must men who die, remain in the grave, in the dust of the earth, in sleep? Until then. There are only 5 exceptions in all of scripture [KJB] that were either directly translated without seeing death, or permanently resurrected, never to taste death again:

[1] Enoch, who never saw death but was translated directly and glorified [Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5 KJB],

[2] Elijah, who never saw death but was translated, going up in a fiery chariot and glorified, appearing in the New Testament with resurrected Moses, in “glory” [2 Kings 2:1,11; Matthew 17:3; Mark 9:4; Luke 9:30,31 KJB],

[3] Moses, who died, was buried by Jesus, and resurrected by Jesus/Michael and taken to Heaven, after seen alive in the New Testament, in “glory” [Matthew 17; Mark 9; Luke 9; 2 Peter 1:16; Romans 5:14 KJB],

[4] the firstfruits/wavesheaf specially resurrected martyrs who were buried around Jerusalem at Jesus' own resurrection, and taken back to Heaven with Him in triumph [Isaiah 26:19; Matthew 27:52,53; Ephesians 4:8; Psalms 68:18; KJB]:

Christ Jesus did not lead “captivity captive” [the “firstfruits” 1 Corinthians 15:20,23 KJB, the “wavesheaf” Leviticus 23:10-12 KJB; see Matthew 27:52-53 KJB] until His own Resurrection, “the third day” [Luke 24:21 KJB],

“Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.” Ephesians 4:8

[Special Resurrection at Jesus own Resurrection, see also Psalms 68:18; Isaiah 26:19; Matthew 27:52,53 KJB]

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 1 Corinthians 15:20

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 1 Corinthians 15:23, and

[5] Jesus Himself, having died, was buried and rose again and ascended in a glorified body into Heaven [Matthew 28:1-20; Mark 16:1-20; Luke 24:1-53; John 20:1-31, Acts 1, etc. KJB]

Consider: Rest/Sleep:

[sleep, asleep, sleepeth] Deuteronomy 31:16; 2 Samuel 7:12; Job 3:13, 7:21, 14:12; 1 Kings 1:21, 2:10, 11:21,43, 14:20,31, 15:8,24, 16:6,28, 22:40,50; 2 Kings 8:24, 10:35, 13:9,13, 14:16,22,29, 15:7,22,38, 16:20, 20:21, 21:18, 24:6; 2 Chronicles 9:31, 12:16, 14:1, 16:13, 21:1, 26:2,23, 27:9, 28:27, 32:33, 33:20; Job 14:12; Psalms 13:3; Matthew 27:52; John 11:11-13; Acts 7:60, 13:36; 1 Corinthians 15:6,18,20,51; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-15; 2 Peter 3:4; [awake] Job 14:12; Psalms 17:15; Isaiah 26:19; Daniel 12:2; John 11:11-13; [grave/bed] Job 17:13; Psalms 139:8; Luke 17:34; [fathers and prophets are dead] John 6:49,58, 8:52,53; Acts 2:29,34, 13:36; Hebrews 11:4,13,16,40]

Two have been directly translated without seeing death, and a third group is coming:

[01] Enoch – Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5 KJB

[02] Elijah – 2 Kings 2:1-23 KJB

[03] Those saints alive at the 2nd Advent – 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 KJB

There are many resurrections in the Bible, but of those that have taken place, only a few have not died again and were taken to Heaven:

[01] Elijah raises the Widow of Zarephath's Son – 1 Kings 17:17-24 KJB

[02] Elijah raises the son of the Shunamite Woman – 2 Kings 4:18-37 KJB

[03] A man and Elisha's Bones – 2 Kings 13:20-21 KJB

[04] The Valley of Bones, the Resurrected Army – Ezekiel 37:1-14 KJB

[05] Jesus raises the Widow of Nain's Son – Luke 7:11-17 KJB

[06] Jesus raises Jairus's Daughter – Matthew 9:18,19,23-26; Mark 5:22-24,35-43; Luke 8:41-42,49-56 KJB

[07] Jesus raises Lazarus – John 11:1-47 KJB

[08] Peter raises Tabitha [Dorcas] – Acts 9:36-42 KJB

[09] Paul raises Eutychus – Acts 20:9-12 KJB

[10] Moses – Matthew 16:28, 17:1-12; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36; John 11:25; 2 Peter 1:16-18; Romans 5:14; Jude 1:9 KJB

[11] Select Group around the locality of Jerusalem – Psalms 68:18; Isaiah 26:19; Matthew 27:52,53; Ephesians 4:8 KJB

[12] The Two Witnesses (not actually persons, but symbolic of Law (Moses) and Prophets (Elijah)) - Revelation 11:3-12; Romans 3:21

[13] Jesus' Resurrection – Matthew 28:1-20; Mark 16:1-20; Luke 24:1-53; John 20:1-31; 1 Corinthians 15:20,23 &c KJB

(I know I am forgetting one, but oh well.)

*Side Note: Some have thought Paul to be resurrected after his stoning, but that is a misreading of the text, he had not died, but suffered greatly:

Acts 14:19 KJB - And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead.

There will also be a Special resurrection and a First Great resurrection that saints may enter Heaven, in a time to come:

[00] Special Resurrection – Daniel 12:2,12; Matthew 26:64; Mark 14:62; Revelation 1:7, 14:13 &c KJB

[01] First Great Resurrection – 1 Samuel 2:6; Job 14:12-14, 19:26; Hosea 13:14; Matthew 22:31; Mark 12:18,23,25; Luke 14:14, 20:35,36; John 5:29a, 6:25,28,29,39,40,44,54, 11:24,25; Acts 4:2, 17:31,32, 23:6, 24:15a,21; Romans 6:5,8, 8:11; 1 Corinthians 15:12,13,16,20,21,23,29,32,35,42,43,52-55; Philippians 3:10,11; Colossians 3:3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 2 Timothy 2:18, 4:1; Hebrews 6:2, 11:35; Revelation 20:5b,6; [All the Holy "Clouds" of Angels [the “reapers”] with Him] Psalms 68:17, 104:3; Isaiah 66:15; Matthew 13:39,49, 16:27, 24:30, 25:31,51, 26:64; Mark 8:38, 13:27; Luke 9:26, 21:27; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Thessalonians 3:13, 4:16-17; Hebrews 1:7; Revelation 1:7, 12:7 KJB

There will even be a resurrection of the wicked to come, and they shall not enter Heaven:

[02] The Second Great Resurrection, Damned, Condemnation, Wicked – John 5:29b; Acts 17:31, 24:15b; Revelation 20:5a; KJB

Here is the rest of it: Oh! Wait! Your leaders think Enoch and Elijah or was it Moses already in heaven. Well, they do teach you that the rest of us sleep until that first resurrection. So are we speculating on what heaven is like for the sleeping? That is the OP, right? Or are you proselytizing here? Oh! Wait! Your leaders think Enoch and Elijah or was it Moses already in heaven. Well, they do teach you that the rest of us sleep until that first resurrection. So are we speculating on what heaven is like for the sleeping? That is the OP, right? Or are you proselytizing here?

EvangAlived · Sep 27, 2018

Deade said:

Yes, I know, I read your response. I responded to your statement, and verified, that yes indeed, some (a few small exceptions among) men, are in Heaven, presently.

This is a thread about Heaven, and who even is already therein (among men). See previous post.

I really wanted to share about the unfallen worlds, and the unfallen beings as given in scripture (KJB).

EvangAlived · Sep 27, 2018

deardean2 said:

There are no 'naked' people in Heaven. That is a misunderstanding of a text from Genesis.

DarthStav · Sep 27, 2018

memyselfi said:

You know Peter talks about how we are sojourners here living in earthly booths/tents…. I think in one of the Peters.... this is coming from memory... it can be looked up. Any way... I forget sometimes to keep my eye on the prize heaven. But that is what the walk is for, humbling ones self, esteeming others higher that myself, oh my.... obedience…. to the point of death of the flesh....

Paul said (somewhere), if the resurrection was not real then we are men to be most pitied.

The Bible describes heavens beauty... The 12 gates are made of 12 pearls... now that is some 12 pearls…. to be solid like that, my own mansion, and seeing my cat Loopy playing with her cousins' the lions (the lamb will lay down with the lion)((why not a cat play with a lion)).

I have heard some preach if you are not a "giant" in faith on earth you will get a job shoving manure in heaven. We will work in heaven for the Lord and our actions determine our jobs in heaven.

Now, I hate working so that just seams false to me to bein with....lol But this brings me to my question(s)…. Do you think about heaven? What do you think heaven is like?

Who knows, it probably doesn't even exist. But I hear that people are dying to get there, wherever there is.

memyselfi · Sep 27, 2018

EvangAlived said:

Ok I started serious question, but this makes me want to go "slapstick"... at 5'3", 260lbs thank G-d I I will not be naked!!....

But what about my glorified body? Besides no sickness nor disease would we look like Barbie and Ken, or is that just "earthly"?

memyselfi · Sep 27, 2018

DarthStav said:

It's like a cemetery, everyone is dyeing to get in...lol

EvangAlived · Sep 27, 2018

memyselfi said:

See 1 Corinthians 15:12-58. Notice especially vss 37-49, "body", "flesh", "celestial", even as the angels presently are, see

Mat_22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Mar_12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

As Moses and Elijah, as they appeared:

Luk_9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

As the firstfruits, as they appeared, after their resurrection, and went into the city (not naked), but glorified, wearing robes of light, as Angel do:

Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

as Jesus Himself:

Luk_24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

as the Angels:

Mar 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

Luk_24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

Joh 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

Act_1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

EvangAlived · Sep 27, 2018

memyselfi said:

You will be raised at this height if you die at this height (for instance Adam-to Noah will be giant compared to us at the end, Adam was about twice as tall and a little more than men are now, maybe 15ft (6ft average of men today x 2, plus a little), and Eve a little smaller than he, at His shoulder height), but after entering Heaven (there is a 7 day trip, see Leviticus 23, etc), you will have access to the tree of life, in the midst of the garden, and "grow up" from there.

Mal_4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

7seasrekeyed · Sep 27, 2018

memyselfi said:

age it abit and it has wonderful fertilizer properties

but who knows....

7seasrekeyed · Sep 27, 2018

DarthStav said:

so funny, right? but then you are not a Christian so I guess that would be how you think

just joined too

notuptome · Sep 27, 2018

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

It will be a whole lot better than here could ever be.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

jaybird88 · Sep 27, 2018

deardean2 said:

i have read about many of the experiences of these people. the smartest people in the world cant explain it, especially when you have so many people from around the world, that never met each other, all giving the same details.

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