Do you hear God speak to you?

I believe God speak in both way. Written word and spoken word.

Like what kind of job best for Jackson, is not specifically say in the Bible, we need to know and God do not mind to tell us if we ask

But for spoken word, only if we are very close to Him.

When I need a job, I pray, I did not hear anything from God, because I am not close enough to hear it.

Moses hear spoken word, but Israel fear and refuse to hear spoken word.

John 10:27 New International Version (NIV)

27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

Do you know why he speaks through his Holy Word? (See [ 2 Cor 5:7 ] [ Mark 4:12 ] )

You mean to tell us that when you read the following verse:

"...for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Heb 11:6

You didn't hear the LORD speak to you when you began your diligent search for him?

So you mean to tell us that you wouldn't believe anyone that has heard a voice?

LOL, if you are referring unto 1 John 4:1 then believe not ever 'spirit' but 'test the spirits' means believe not ever person but test the words they speak whether they be of truth of not.

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63

A pot calling the kettle black.

Everybody currently hears the Lord and his angels who provide us illumination.
Likewise, however, everybody also hears the devil and his angels who provide us false illumination (2 Corinthians 11:14).
People simply do not recognize the origin of their thoughts.
They assume they're from their own minds.

There will come a time at the conclusion of the beasts 1,260 day reign, when sudden destruction falls upon the worshipers of the beast and his system (1 Thessalonians 5:3).
When the sudden destruction falls upon the beasts worshipers, the Lords people on day 1,335 receive a blessing (Daniel 12:12).
It is my opinion that these events represent the Lord separating Himself from the beasts worshipers, no longer providing them any further illumination, and thereby leaving them in gross darkness (Isaiah 60:2).
The Lords people on the other hand will have increased illumination (Isaiah 60:1); to which all the worlds inhabitants who no longer hear the Lord's illumination within themselves, now have to go to the Lords people for their illumination (Isaiah 60:3).

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Isaiah 60:Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee.
2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

Are you saying our thoughts are not necessarily our own? How do you tell the difference, what is from God, from you and from the devil?

LOL!

so you admit you are a black kettle then?

I understand what you're saying here luigi, but just a little note

I used to hear the devil more before I really began to study and understand God's word

I like what someone said in this thread regarding Jesus rebuking the devil simply by saying 'it is written...'

but you are quite right in stating that many do not recognize the origin of their thoughts..which is why we need to renew our minds according to the word of God and align ourselves with what God says. learn and consume the truth and lie becomes so much more obvious

Our thoughts origins are not our own.
We choose which way to go.
What is from God, who is Love, is love, truth, humbleness, mercy, etc..
What is from the devil is carnal, thoughts for self, greed, lies, envying, etc..
He deceives the whole world to believe going for our carnal worldly nature should be our primary concern (Revelation 12:9).

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

The more you and others overcome their carnal inclinations, the more clear the Lord's voice/illumination becomes, while the devil's voice/false illumination diminishes.

So unless someone was taught how to read then they wouldn't know anything about God?

So how do the scriptures tell you man developed the written language, do the scriptures say that it originated naturally like man's ability to speak?

So who is credited with being the first man to teach himself how to read and write?

At least they didn't sacrifice a human being...after all to do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.
KJV

I would disagree

how do we overcome?

again, the Bible says to renew our minds by the word, so it's not a self effort

the more truth we know, FROM THE BIBLE, the more we recognize what is false

Jesus overcame the temptations of the devil by using OT scripture...we have the NT also now

I would go so far as to say that we cannot overcome the devil in our own flesh no matter how hard we try

as far as carnal desires go, the NT says we are dead with Christ, so using the word is agreeing with the new nature we have in Christ

well sacrifice is for sin.

you quote one verse fro Prov 21 and take it out of context.

the better understanding is this:

in other words, and remembering this is the OT, what is being said is God looks on the heart...the motive...so even though someone may offer sacrifice, even that can be done hypocritically. that is what is meant by doing what is right and just, in your heart creating a pure motive, is more acceptable to God then offering a sacrifice and continuing in your hypocrisy

Jesus Christ is the final sin offering and the only one that actually washes away our sin.

When we decide to follow God word, it come from the Lord voice, when we do bad thing it come from the devil.

Seem to me our mind is a decision makers. For those bad or good. But there is something else.

We use our mind to calculate, 1+1=2. This is not from the voice of God or devil. Christian or not will use their own mind to calculate simple math.

The last part of your statement was in reference to what I posted, and to be honest I don't get your point with it. So I'm not going to speculate as to what you're trying to get across with that verse.

What I was saying in my previous post, is that (we) any of us who have read or heard the NT teachings know that we are not to sacrifice animals or people anymore for a sin offering. Jesus was and is the sacrifice. So if something comes to you and tells you that you need to go sacrifice a goat or dog then you know that is not God.

As for the top statement...No one is saying that if you can't read then you will never know anything about God. What I have been trying to say is that the Bible is the standard. No we don't just throw it away we use it....It is the sword... is it not?

There are many other ways to learn what the Bible says for people who are not able to read... They can listen to trusted preachers, have someone else read it to you, listen to it audibly on CD or whatever...but you don't just throw it away. It is the standard.

It would seem, Dino, and I can only speak for myself. Yet, the longer I "read and reply" in these forums (BDF, for the most part, by far), I "see" people, engaged, as well as enraged!
Tis "my hope", that with the words that I put forth here, may help "some", who have, or are now "engaged", in a certain "type", of "spritual warfare", that would, and has killed many many a flesh man!

(ok?...here goes)

It seems to "me", anyways, that God has placed "Sons of light" inside, "new born" flesh babies! I suppose, one might consider this as having been "foreknown", or "preordained", which would certainly "fall" within parameters of such a definition. The exception being, that these/we/I, were "sent/placed/set/put" here, for a very specific reason!
The "problem/s" with being like this, is that Everyone KNOWS (meaning the enemies of the Kingdom of Light, and Kingdom of God) Who YOU ARE! Yet, the "person", or flesh body, is not cognizant of that which has transpired.......yet! Meaning? This "son of Light", is, and has been FULLY Engaged in this "spiritual warfare", that has been previously engaged Against FOR Millennia! In a "no holds barred" conflict, that can be, and IS QUITE INTIMIDATING, TO such an innocently born child!

If you're thinking, that this could develop "trust issues?" You'd be correct! Because, we are born into a "darkened world?" We "see" (the) darkness EVERYWHERE! From our parents, and siblings, and friends, and neighbors...EVERYWHERE! Trust issues, that a "child" is not able in reconciling with, as they are irreconcilable to the Son of Light spiritual body that is within us! The "child", or person, or "flesh", isn't aware of the why (yet)! Only that, "it" CAN'T! Can't even give "plausible reasoning/s", to "empirical people", that are, or would satisfy inquiries to such "odd", and "anti-sociallistic" behavior! Which leads to even more intimidations, and corrective measures. Daignosis' from mildy autistic, emotionally retarded, socially retarded, asperger's syndrome, or many variations, of "physical, or material" ailments! All "designed", with the help of "psychiatry" (aka spiritual manipulation/s) "sorcerer's" (aka BIG Pharma, these days), in their "rendering" (to no effect, by the way), a more productive/empirically ACCEPTABLE, "members" of society!" Which in this "darkened world?" Means what? IRRECONCIALBE Differences! As well, they should be!

Although, it's been "tried" before, during Moses' day, with Pharoah, and Jesus' day, with King Herod, and with today's technological advances (just so much more wickedness increasings) Abortion clinics! etc. etc. One can con "flesh" people! You can con oneself! But, ya can't con God! As God, has made the "wise in their own eyes", as fools, as this darkened world strives in extinguishing, AND REPLACING "THE LIGHT", with their "Instead OF Light!" Which is a FALSE LIGHT! Shining from FALSE gODS! Whether it be from, music, or money markets, or education, but ESPECIALLY "Religion!"

Yet, as Solomon, observed: This is nothing new! And, as much as "technocracy" (and wickedness) has increased, over the passing of this earth age? One thing that hasn't changed? Human, or "flesh" nature!

(sometimes I get myself digressing)

God "knowing" the where He placed His "sons of Light" in new born flesh bodies? Also knows, how to "shepherd" these bodies, all the way! Until it is, or becomes His Time, of "deploying" these "sons of Light", for His Good Pleasure! Mostly for warfare though, at, or during "strategic" times and places, or scenarios, over the course of this earth/heaven age! (I have been told, that I was "instrumental" in the why "the Donald" became President! That, was a pretty YUUGE "fish fry!"....They STILL ain't got over that one! ) I "imagine", although, I am not certain at all, not being, nor wanting to be, nor am going to be God, or Christ the Messiah, for that matter. Although, this flesh body strives to be "Christ Like", and to an untrained eye, may seem to wont to "replace" the Messiah? I can assure you! THIS, is NOT the case!

I can say this however. The more "perfected", or mature, the spirit of the flesh body becomes? And this is in NO WISE indicative of one's soul being lost! (Like I said, God "knows" where He has placed His "sons of Light")
The more "LIGHT, and Holiness" "shines" through it!

You, or anyone reading this can use as many grains of salt, or sand or whatever, in how you assess this. Some one may even liken it to events past of present, or yet to come, in their own experience/s. Call it a testimony, or, a witness, or whatever!

I'll call it this:
There are 8 million stories in the "Naked City" (yeah?...kinda tellin' my age here, but, I remember it ) THIS? Is ONE!

Or for the younger reader/s?

That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it!

(meanwhile!...back to the war!)

Here's a interesting story.

It’s so silent…

“My preferred holy tome is a non-braille Bible,” said Mark Rodgers, a 54-year old blind man from Spokane. “I love how smooth and silent its message is. I read page after page and enter the truth of the great nothing. John 3:16 y'all.”

Mark was born blind. He grew up in a shabby Charles Dickens orphanage and spent his childhood years reading the orphanage's one braille book: A moldy King James braille edition bible. Its configuration of dots dazzled him for weeks upon end. He’d polish its dusty pages to a finger-pointed shine.

“But at some point don’t you get tired of all the dots?” asked Mark to his braille teacher. But he was only met with his teacher's undecoded silence. “So I smuggled in some clandestine braille literature. I tried a braille Koran and a braille Bhagavad Gita, but they too started to feel like more dots, literally. I even tried a braille Atlas Shrugged, since a lot of Americans worship that. But still… something didn't feel right, tactilely, in my heart."

Mark began asking his sighted friends if they ever felt the way he did.

“Do the words you read start to look like random squiggles? Are words more of a Rorschach test then anything written in stone? Ever try reading a braille bible with your eyes? Know what I mean? Does you feel like that?”

That's when a serendipitous event occurred. Some bully at his orphanage swapped out that one and only braille King James Bible with a English word King James bible. The bully gave Mark letters to read, not dots.

“I picked it up, and for the first time… I’m not sure how to describe it. I felt it. Screw let there be light. Let there be darkness. Here finally I felt the power of silence. A silence that got deeper with each turn of the page. So I got baptized in these waters. I converted to Christianity. God bless you all.”

We wish Mark all the best in his newfound passion.

And you too. For just a taste of what can be, we'd like to ask you, our dear reader of The Tilted Glass, to close your eyes and read this article on your screens with your fingers.

Calculating can mean more than simple mathematical summation.
When we hear the devils false illumination, we calculate the benefit of the action to be undertaken.
When people covet, they do it for the carnal benefit they will receive.

In contrast when we hear and choose the Lords illumination, we calculate doing it for its spiritual benefit and not for a carnal benefit.

Out of context, the typical response of the self taught. Context is subjective, therefore you might have an different interpretation yet you inclusion of the 2nd verse no more changes the context of the 3 verse since your interpretation is nothing more than the perception of your own heart.

So did you consider Revelations 1:6 when considering the context of verse 2?

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Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. John 19:11

Yep, there are 3 voices.

1. God voice, spiritual thing.

2. Devil, let enjoy sex movie

3. Us, decide wich voice we have to follow.