Not By Works

Again we have had another poster coming in here and taking James and Paul out of context to peddle a working for dogma.....let us set this straight yet again...

James is speaking about a mere claim of belief that God is real and even makes the comparison to devils which believe and tremble about it...his audience was the 12 JEWISH tribes who were scattered abroad....today the JEWS BELIEVE in GOD, but do not have saving FAITH<--that is the CONTEXT...not FAITH plus WORKS for salvation

PAUL is clear....HE concluded that a man is JUSTIFIED before GOD by FAITH without the DEED/WORKS of the LAW....end of story.....

MAN is saved entirely by FAITH without one work attached to GAIN eternal SALVATION......anything beyond that is LUMPED under SANCTIFICATION and not JUSTIFICATION

Again, I ask how much "works" does one need to demonstrate true faith.

If you are a JW, you need to think long and hard on this and if you are honest with yourself, you will admit that there is no answer.

So where does that leave you ......with no way to save yourself by works.

seems like the next goal for bible study, is to be well versed in the 1st epistle of John, and the book of James,
if we know them at the back of our hand, it will be almost impossible to be swayed by every wind of doctrine. that's probably how dcon did it. or am I wrong?

The bible is clear....I had to study through it twice a year in seminary....I have studied it intently for the last 32 years....this is not to say that I know it all and or am not wrong in certain areas and am always willing to adjust my view when one can prove my view wrong....but the beginning of the knowledge of God is the salvation message....it is SIMPLE to understand if one is but HONEST with the verbiage, context, verb tense and the words inspired by God.....

based on what I read from your post, are you saying that, we should pay extra more attention on verbs when Reading the Bible?

it's also sad of what people are willing to do (in the wrong direction) to find assurance when they doubt their salvation

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Jesus said it was a VISION, not an actual event.

Peter dismantles your false theory (2 Peter 1:16) as he states they saw this spectacle and event with their own eyes. That, and you're misunderstanding and abusing the choice of the word "vision" in English to describe the text and event in Matthew 17:9.

Silly claim; works are a PART of REAL Faith: "Faith WITHOUT works is DEAD!"- James, oine of Jesus' brothers

Peter dismantles your false theory (2 Peter 1:16) as he states they saw this spectacle and event with their own eyes. That, and you're misunderstanding and abusing the choice of the word "vision" in English to describe the text and event in Matthew 17:9.

Peter dismantles your false theory (2 Peter 1:16) as he states they saw this spectacle and event with their own eyes. That, and you're misunderstanding and abusing the choice of the word "vision" in English to describe the text and event in Matthew 17:9.

Anyone watch the Simpsons tonight? There is a scene where Mr. Burns dies and is standing outside the gates of heaven. He says, "I demand that I be allowed to enter on my own merits!" And immediately he turns into a cinder.

That's about the way it is . . .

based on what I read from your post, are you saying that, we should pay extra more attention on verbs when Reading the Bible?

Let me explain it to you this way. The Bible in English has only 3 Primary Verb Tenses.

The Bible in GREEK has 6 Primary Verb Tenses.

So it is easy to misinterpret the meaning behind the Verb Tenses.

No, you need to keep on READING THE BIBLE and when there is a question on the exact Verb Tenses, then ask somebody like decon or other Greek Scholars to Explain it to you.

I do not pretend to be a Greek Scholar, I just know enough to get by.

I doubt if you can make sense of this, but here are the Greek Primary Verb Tenses on this site:
https://www.blueletterbible.org/help/greekverbs.cfm

For example the Greek Present Tense, is NOT LIKE the Present Tense in English. It implies an continuous lifestyle of doing that verb.

1 John 2:4 (NKJV)
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

That verb keep does not imply perfection, it imply the direction of your lifestyle. You are the one that will continue to keep striving to keep his commandments. When you fail, You go back to 1 John 1:9,

1 John 1:9 (NKJV)
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

That word CONFESS is in the Greek Present Tense too. We are the ones that will instantly want to CONFESS Sins to GOD, and it is a LIFESTYLE. We will always want to CONFESS Sins, because it is in our New Born Again Nature to do so.

The GOOD NEWS is as your new born human spirit MATURES, you will sin LESS, and LESS, and LESS as you feast on the SPIRITUAL FOOD, the WORD of GOD.

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