A BIBLICAL EXAMINATION OF CALVINISM

They do not reject God's word and that was a rather unseemly statement to make. What they reject is your, and those who share your view, opinion of God's word.

No my friend, the train wreck of a translation is that which was written when they spoketh liketh this.

Well, when William Tyndale was alive, the only bibles available were written in Latin. Seeing no one could read Latin other than the RCC, no one had a bible to read. When Desiderius Erasmus translated the Latin Vulgate into Greek, Tyndale leaped at the chance to give the people a bible they could read in their native English. Then later on King James wanted a bible that had his name on it, so he gave the okay for the King James Bible.

There is no need to see it(KJV) for more than it is, a translation of God's word. Nothing more, nothing less. It was written in their vernacular just like modern versions are written in today's vernacular.

Ephesians 1:4
Long before he laid down earth’s foundations, he had us in mind, had settled on us as the focus of his love, to be made whole and holy by his love.(The Message)

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in loveKing James Bible)

even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love(English Standard)

just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before [a]Him. In love(New American Standard)

For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love(New International)

Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us in Christ to be holy and without fault in his eyes.(New Living)

As he hath chosen us in him, before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy, and without blame before him in loveGeneva)

For he chose us in him, before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless in love before him.(Christian Standard)

In any translation, my friend, it clearly states all believers, all His chosen ones, were chosen in Christ from before the creation of the world.

Okay my friend, lets go back to the language Ephesians 1:4 was originally penned in...

καθὼς ἐξελέξατο ἡμᾶς ἐν αὐτῷ πρὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου, εἶναι ἡμᾶς ἁγίους καὶ ἀμώμους κατενώπιον αὐτοῦ ἐν ἀγάπῃ,

εξελεξατο means he selected out πρὸ means from before καταβολῆς means from laying down(a foundation)

So He selected out a people from before the foundation of the world is as clear as a crystal.

Just a question, why do you think that somebody who sincerely believes in God and in His Son, in the cross and resurrection, will end up in hell? Be it a Catholic.

So there are unsaved Christians?

I would say (together with Augustine in his Answers To Simplicianus) that God has these emotions without everything what is human in them, He has them in some kind of "idealistic" state.

His jealousy is without the inner pain we experience, His anger is without the "darkened mind" we experience, His love is without the blinding affection we experience etc.

Well, now I know what I'm dealing with. Since, not if, you think there are Christians who are unsaved, your theology is beyond repair and you need to scrap it for truth.

Oh, so the world says so? Well, there is another problem, you adopt worldly language and don't employ the language of heaven. Maybe you're of the world?

I answered your question which is why you're off on a tangent.

The problem is you don't have Christianity, you have some sort of quasi christianity that is nothing short of politically correct theology with an invented god who must do your bidding and be fair in how you think fair ought to be. Nothing you've expressed is Christian thought.

What he means is people who identify themselves as Christians (which are actually in large numbers) but they do not have the Holy Spirit within. They have not been regenerated.

Of course He did. But not in the way you think.

Believers were ELECT ACCORDING TO THE FOREKNOWLEDGE OF GOD so that they would not only be saved from Hell, but transformed into the likeness of Christ. So divine election has never been for salvation, but always for perfection and glorification.

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. (Rom 8:29,30)

Must be regenerated, just identifying as Christians is not enough, even though they believe in God and His Son... seems more strange than calvinism.

Bible proclaims that who believes, is saved. if there is something more on "The Holy Spirit side" needed for the true salvation, you are getting into the election system you do not like.

There is no such thing as an unsaved Christian, so there is no need to attempt to support such a notion, by any means. Instead of attempting to make it right, correction is needed for such a bizarre and unbiblical term. 2 Timothy 3:16 should serve to remind both of you of your need of being corrected, biblically.

They believe in God and his Son? Really? What do they say and teach about this God and his Son? Does it come out to be the biblical God and Son? Of course not. I know you know all of this, I'm simply making a point: They really do not believe in God and his Son.

For example Catholics believe in God and His Son according to all orthodox ancient creeds.

I even think that they recite the Apostle's creed every mass, while most protestants have no idea what the creed is. Sooo... why are not they saved?

I don't know about all that to be honest...

Seems a false gospel does not have a true God.

ὅτι οὓς προέγνω, καὶ προώρισεν συμμόρφους τῆς εἰκόνος τοῦ υἱοῦ αὐτοῦ, εἰς τὸ εἶναι αὐτὸν πρωτότοκον ἐν πολλοῖς ἀδελφοῖς

προέγνω (prog-in-oce-ko) means to know beforehand, those who God chose beforehand in regards to salvation. It is a verb, so it is something He has done. So those He foreknew, He predestined, called, justified and glorified.

29-30 God knew what he was doing from the very beginning. He decided from the outset to shape the lives of those who love him along the same lines as the life of his Son. The Son stands first in the line of humanity he restored. We see the original and intended shape of our lives there in him. After God made that decision of what his children should be like, he followed it up by calling people by name. After he called them by name, he set them on a solid basis with himself. And then, after getting them established, he stayed with them to the end, gloriously completing what he had begun.

I think it depends on the heart of the individual. If some catholic concentrates on the basics of faith, creeds etc, he is saved. If he concentrates on idols, Mary, saints, pope and ceremonies, I am afraid he is not. But I will let God to judge this...its too complex.

But people who identify themselves as Christians, but are not, are not unsaved Christians. That is an un-biblical statement to make.

How is concentrating on basics of faith and creeds salvific?????? Have to disagree with you there bro.

We need to define what it means to believe in God and his Son. Biblically that equals salvation, not almost salvation as when that terminology is used in Scripture it is salvific.