Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine

Two mistakes you make right away:

(1) Brag about your study time

I am in agreement with you that OSAS is not biblical.

I will make one post in this thread and after that good luck if you believe salvation can be lost.....

It is MORE absurd and IGNORANT to believe salvation can be lost based upon the following truths, promises and words that MUST BE REJECTED, DENIED, TWISTED or TRAMPLED UNDER FOOT......FOR salvation to be lost the following MUST be false.

a. I will NEVER leave thee nor FORSAKE THEE
b. We are SAVED to the UTTERMOST
c. WE are KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD THROUGH FAITH
d. IF WE believe NOT (AFTER FAITH) HE abides faithful because HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF
e. We are in the SON'S HAND<-NO MAN can yank us away
f. We are in the FATHER's HAND<-NO man can YANK us away
g. We are sealed with the HOLY SPIRIT of PROMISE UNTO the DAY of REDEMPTION
h. WE are born of INCORRUPTIBLE SEED by the HOLY SPIRIT from ABOVE
I. THE GIFTS of GOD are IRREVOCABLE
J. SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT
k. WE are given ETERNAL LIFE <-NOT temporal based upon performance
l. OUR freely given LIFE is EVERLASTING <-NOT temporal based upon performance
m. NOTHING shall separate us from the LOVE OF GOD
n. JESUS said he will LOSE NOTHING but will RAISE IT UP THE LAST DAY
o. WHATSOEVER GOD does is EVERLASTING <- including SAVING US
p. HE that believes on the SON IS HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE
q. THESE things are written that YOU MAY KNOW YOU HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE
r. WE ARE JUSTIFIED ETERNALLY by the BLOOD of CHRIST dia FAITH
s. WE are Sanctified in Christ positionally and ETERNALLY <--SEE HEBREWS
t. JESUS will leave the 99 to FIND US if we walk AWAY
u. WE are chastened for disobedience NOT CAST AWAY
v. SOME have works of wood, hay and stubble yet are SAVED SO A BY FIRE
w. THE prodigal was a SON and ALIVE throughout the WHOLE PROCESS and only PERCEIVED as dead and still received as a SON
x. IF we are in Christ we are NOT CONDEMNED <-John and Romans
y. SALVATION is spoken of in ALL THREE verb tenses and a PERFECT TENSE VERB = PRESENT continuing result from a past completed action

AND ON and ON and ON and ON.........EVERY ONE of the above truths must be denied, rejected or twisted out of context to believe the drivel that salvation can be lost and this is just off the top of my head at 8 am with no coffee yet......There are NO verses IN context that teach a salvation that can be lost like a coin at the local park.....and those who peddle such are akin to a street organ player with a dancing monkey in Calcutta playing and dancing for said COIN......

It must be tragic to serve such a weak, inept god that cannot keep you saved or one that needs help to maintain that which already IS by faith..........

The op is more drivel from one who ha no real faith and or biblical hope!

I erected no strawman. Jesus Himself says that the second soil really believed.

Eternal security teaches that if you believe in Jesus you can walk an aisle, say the sinners prayer, and get saved. No lifestyle change needed.

All those Scriptures you just posted are conditional on one thing. You mentioned that one thing several times in the Scriptures you listed. What is that one thing. Your faith.

Lose your faith and you will perish. Eternal life only belongs to God. Scripture says in 1 John 5: 11 that this life is only in the Son.

You partake of His life through faith in Him and become part of His body. If you stop believing you no longer have eternal life because it is something only God possesses. You partake of it through faith. No faith. No life.

Eternal life doesn't become your possession when you believe as if it is something God gives you apart from Christ. You partake of Christ's life through your faith in Him! You are attached to Him. No faith. No life.

Wrong..........try again...

HE that BEGAN a good work of FAITH IN YOU will COMPLETE IT.....maybe your JESUS cannot finish what he started, but the JESUS of the BIBLE, the one I worship stated clearly that HE will finish what he started in me<--pertaining to faith.....

Okay the main thing I disagree with you is mostly your use of language, but then you may not agree with my usage either.

I do agree that eternal security is for true believer only or the fourth type of soil.

However I would disagree that the Rocky soil were ever saved or born again believers.

I don't think they ever got the Holy Spirit to change their hearts of stone to hearts of flesh (can get you the Bible verse later if needed).

They may have been part of a church, maybe even pastors but they would be the people Jesus speaks about when He says "Depart from me I never knew you" after they proclaim "Lord Lord we cast out demons in your name and worked great miracles"

These are the Rocky soil....to the world they appear "Christian" but to God they are wolves devouring the Sheep and stealing from God's children and spreading demonic lies within the church. They are like Judas Iscariot who stole money meant for the poor and widows for his own selfish purposes, who sold out Jesus for money.

The Rocky ground are not believers, they are wolves.

The first kind (Satan steals the seed) are aethist or other religions that reject Jesus as savior and the third (thorns nd brairs) are secular Christain who care more about this world than God's kingdom. (double-minded adulterers is another name the Bible calls them.

I think these guys want someone, ANYONE to lose their salvation really really bad!

You make some good points but the issue I have with you mostly is that you say the second soil did not partake of the Holy Spirit and they were not real believers.

Jesus says they were real believers and that "life sprang up" that can only happen via the Holy Spirit as we are dead in sin apart from Him.

What is the basis of salvation?
Can you be saved in the here and now?

Jesus made no such statement bro, you're reading that into the text, it is known as eisegesis. You're saying they really believe, the language of the text doesn't support you.



But Jesus never stated that either. Can we stick with the actual text, or must we submit to your biased paraphrasing? I'm not trying to be harsh, but that is what you're doing. You're creating a straw man, then defending it.



Agreed, and so does faith.



That's another text and another subject brother.



Their faith is proved not to be genuine. Note the language, "on rocky soil" and "no root in himself" all descriptive of the man, not of saving faith.



No, sorry, you're conflating two differing texts into one. That is terrible hermeneutics brother.



Yes, but not about loss of salvation brother.

Now, can you please go grab some commentary that supports your view?

Wrong..........try again...

HE that BEGAN a good work of FAITH IN YOU will COMPLETE IT.....maybe your JESUS cannot finish what he started, but the JESUS of the BIBLE, the one I worship stated clearly that HE will finish what he started in me<--pertaining to faith.....

AND....if we BELIEVE NOT "after belief" HE abides FAITHFUL because HE cannot deny HIMSELF...

You guys sure worship an inept JESUS that obviously cannot keep his word by your testimony

Soooo...the person is the soil, then they become the seed too, then the plant?

Hmmmm.

Nope.

Try again?

What is the seed that springs up? It isn't the person. But I digress, you're trying to make a parable walk on all fours when Jesus is merely making a spiritual point, and it has nothing to do with loss of salvation.

I'll be waiting for you to gather commentary that supports your points.

You are quoting Philippians 1: 6. What is the obvious assumption that you are missing? That Paul wrote that to believers in Phillipi. He is faithful and will complete His work in all who trust in Him. You must keep trusting though or He doesn't.

How do you explain the 80 verses and passages in the New Testament that say that if you don't endure in faith to the end of your life you will not be saved?

"OSAS" has virtually always been the teaching of the church until false doctrine came in from Arminius and others.

A “seal” in the Bible is a mark of ownership. In Revelation 13 we read about all the people who take the “mark of the beast” and everybody who takes the “mark” perishes. Why? Because they belong to the devil. It is a mark of ownership and allegiance. They are unbelievers.



How do I know this? Look at the immediate context that follows right after Revelation 13.



Revelation 14: 1, “Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads.”



Why is the name written on their foreheads? And why is it on their foreheads only? The “mark of the beast” in Revelation 13 is on both foreheads and hands. Why?



Because in the Bible the forehead represents the mind/heart and what you believe. The hand represents your works/actions.



We are saved by faith alone in Christ alone. This is why you see the name in Revelation 14: 1 written only on their foreheads and no mention of hands. Who are these people in Revelation 14: 1?



They are the same group in Revelation 7: 1-4. What does it say there? To paraphrase the verses it says, “…don’t harm anything until we SEAL the servants of our God on their foreheads…” The number is the exact same of Revelation 14. 144,000. Rev 7 and 14 are the same group.



A “SEAL” is a mark of ownership in the Bible. Who does God own? People of faith. Because it is what you believe in your mind/heart. This is why it is only on their foreheads in Rev 14: 1. They have put their trust in Christ. When a person stops believing, God doesn’t own them anymore. They have abandoned Him. No more seal. His Spirit departs.

I will not reply to you anymore. Everything you just said was nonsense and I didn't say any of those things. You keep changing my words. You are the strawman maker. God bless.

Soooo...the person is the soil, then they become the seed too, then the plant?

Hmmmm.

Nope.

Try again?

What is the seed that springs up? It isn't the person. But I digress, you're trying to make a parable walk on all fours when Jesus is merely making a spiritual point, and it has nothing to do with loss of salvation.

I'll be waiting for you to gather commentary that supports your points.

You have misquoted the passage about the second soil. It does not say in the original Greek that they have "no root" as you claim. The NASB translation gets it correct when it translates it properly by saying they have "no firm root".

The idea in the Greek is that there is no depth to the root. They have a root but because their heart is bad (rocky soil) it has no depth to their root. Their heart is shallow.

You are also misquoting 1 John 2: 19. That passage is about false teachers in the Christian church when you look at the context. You are trying to make that passage say that it is a reference to ALL people who leave the faith that they somehow were not real Christians after all.

SO THE SECOND SOIL DOES HAVE A ROOT just like it says in the Greek and you made the unwarranted assumption that Jesus was the root which the parable of the sower never says either.