Calvinism vs. Arminianism?

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GraceAndTruth said:
Simply put:
Calvinism is supralapsarianism, monergism, doctrinally hold to the 5 solas and the TULIP (5 points) -Reformers, so-called
Amyraldianism is infralapsarian, synergism, ie: Baptist Baptist denominations can differ a bit
Arminian came from a man who was a heretic who also denied the Trinity, Law keepers, Man is the master of his fate, most cults fall in this group because it fosters control by the heirarchy in the organization. synergism ie: Methodist
Pelagian -super super over the top Calvinists.......if you aren't a calvinist you aren't save- hold to basic calvinism but will only fellowship with other Pelagians monergism
Semi-Pelagians are really 4 point calvinists, denying man's innate sin nature monergism

There is much more that could be discussed, but these are the basic differences in doctrinal views.

And just so ya know........all the early church fathers as well as those "reformers" such as Tyndale, Wycliffe and Hus were all "calvinists".
Even the Council of Orange in 529AD (or thereabouts) agreed to the truth of these so-called calvinist doctrines.
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What is your system?
 
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I'm inkleined to stay out of this.
 
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Hevosmies said:
You know that Pelagians are like the main ENEMIES of calvinists? Right? Augustine vs Pelagius was the whole deal. Pelagius is their nemesis
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Pelagianism is totally false. It is a heresy!!
 
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Pelagianism is totally false. It is a heresy!!
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Like Calvinism. There has been so much skewed, false doctrine in the last two pages that I am literally shocked that anyone takes these people seriously. If this were a court of law they would have been impeached long ago and nothing else they say can be entered into evidence.
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
Simply put:
Calvinism is supralapsarianism, monergism, doctrinally hold to the 5 solas and the TULIP (5 points) -Reformers, so-called
Amyraldianism is infralapsarian, synergism, ie: Baptist Baptist denominations can differ a bit
Arminian came from a man who was a heretic who also denied the Trinity, Law keepers, Man is the master of his fate, most cults fall in this group because it fosters control by the heirarchy in the organization. synergism ie: Methodist
Pelagian -super super over the top Calvinists.......if you aren't a calvinist you aren't save- hold to basic calvinism but will only fellowship with other Pelagians monergism
Semi-Pelagians are really 4 point calvinists, denying man's innate sin nature monergism

There is much more that could be discussed, but these are the basic differences in doctrinal views.

And just so ya know........all the early church fathers as well as those "reformers" such as Tyndale, Wycliffe and Hus were all "calvinists".
Even the Council of Orange in 529AD (or thereabouts) agreed to the truth of these so-called calvinist doctrines.
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Pelagian -super super over the top Calvinists
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:LOL:


Can this qualify for fake news:unsure:
 
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Hevosmies said:
Question for all calvinists:

God gives faith, and repentance, yes? OK! Why doesn't God give all the elect PROPER DOCTRINE? Because most calvinists I know say that pentecostals and methodists etc etc can also be elect/saved. So why wont God give them right doctrine?
Serious question!
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God gives his elect the proper doctrine it doesn’t matter wether they Were Pentecostal or even a JW it’s all up to God and his divine time for everything, now just because someone is from the reformed religion that does not mean they have the proper or correct doctrine either.
 
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I extend an apology for my error, being quicker to type than to see that I was mistaken, without thinking I used the term "Pelagianism" instead of Preterism. HUGE mistake. So to correct, those terms should have been Preterism and semi-Preterism. It is super Preterists who hold the view that Christ has already returned as opposed the the Semi-Preterist who hold that Christ has not come yet. Both views hold to the 5 points of the Tulip and the 5 Solas.
 
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carl11 said:
And yet you have not shown from the Bible and the Bible alone where Christ died spiritually.
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It was Christ's death that counted. Christ was the anointed One. Jesus was the man part -- Christ is the God part.

Take it or leave it.
 
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trofimus said:
In other words, you do not know and live just according to your inclinations, without thinking deeper and without using systematic reason given to us by God?

Also, why do you think that having a system and thinking about these things is in some kind of a contradiction to "go live your life, man"?
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no actually that is what you do

man made rules and understanding

oh you say you believe in the Holy Spirit, but you sure don't follow Him
 
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BaptistBibleBeliever said:
It was Christ's death that counted. Christ was the anointed One. Jesus was the man part -- Christ is the God part.

Take it or leave it.
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I suppose you have Scripture or Scriptures to back this claim up and yet this says nothing of him dying spiritually.
 
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carl11 said:
1Thess. 1:3; 2Thess. 1:11. The faith in view can only be the faith of Christ because his name also means faith. [Rev. 19:11]

He was faithful to pay the price needed to fulfill everything it was his work that did it all.
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nonsense

just more nonsense and scripture mishandling
 
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Hevosmies said:
bu-bu-but..... thats works salvation. If God doesn't supernaturally without your knowledge grant you salvation (regeneration) first and then belief second, its WORKS salvation.

You heard it here first folks.
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mheh

Calvinists have been plugging up the truth here with that statement long before this thread

but you are right. I personally did hear that nonsense here the first time I heard it :rolleyes::giggle:
 
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