Speaking in tongues

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I have spoken in tongues many times since January 1975. I sang in tongues outside the Oaklawn Race Track in Hot Springs when I was helping a Gospel tract handing out ministry that a family had been doing for 13 years. Read my other posts and you will see a testimony that happened for me in Washington DC.

So I might have experienced the gift tongues more than you. And I am very sensitive to the Holy Spirit's other urgings and that is why I knew the pretending or demon-influenced. Same for the slain-in-the Spirit happenings too. The Bible says that the spiritual enemy can and will in Revelation do signs and wonders. Many will be deceived even some of the elect in the Revelation happenings.
once personal experience cannot be confirmed, not that you did not do what you say you did, but the word of God is the authority on the topic as many see in the word of God for the gift and against the gift for today.
 

Sketch

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yep that statement is a fact if you are going to be rude , and your you will not be here long . Thank you have nice day.
That doesn't explain what was rude about my comment.
Your comment was a threat. Is that not rude? (it was to me)
 
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once personal experience cannot be confirmed, not that you did not do what you say you did, but the word of God is the authority on the topic as many see in the word of God for the gift and against the gift for today.
??? I am not lying and I am not being demon influenced!!!

God's Word is my plumb-line and standard. I have ETRSFed (logically indent formatted) all of the New Testament (Revelation 4 times) and 3/5s of the Old Testament, and over 200 Bible word studies.

Isaiah 55:11
God said,
“So shall My Word be that goes forth out of My mouth:
it shall not return unto Me void,
but it shall accomplish that which I please,
and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.”
And good Bible education is rare in most Christian churches.

2 Timothy 2:15
“Study earnestly to present yourself approved to God,
a workman [or workwoman] who does not need to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the Word of Truth.”

Isaiah 28:9-10
“Whom shall He teach knowledge?
And whom shall He make to understand doctrine?
They who are weaned from the milk and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little.”
 
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"tongues" in SCRIPTURE means a KNOWN language. We know this because whenever we come on something that we do not understand we go back in the bible to a FIRST mention of it and see what was meant then. G. Gordon Campbell, theologian and paastor, described what is being done in the congregations in this century is the "last vomit of Satan"
It's not G. Gordon Campbell, it's G. Campbell Morgan. You really need to stop making up your own facts, yet now you're even making up names.

Do yourself a favor, accept publicly the correction you received for getting Pelagianism exactly backwards. You do not know what you're talking about, it is the exact opposite of Monergism and Calvinism. IOW it's heresy. :)
 

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That doesn't explain what was rude about my comment.
Your comment was a threat. Is that not rude? (it was to me)
No sir it was no threat, it is a fact. I do not make threats, and if you are not going to take my warning, and continue to challenge you will not be here very long. You are more than welcome to PM and we can talk out of this setting I will not comment anymore about.
 
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I challenge that, shall we time ourselves. Hahaha... :cool:

5 4 3 2 LOL Blast off.

Every person prays in their native tongue whether in their heart or orally . When Peter prayed being moved the Holy Spirit .His God worked in men interpreted it in many tongues all at the same time. Most likely more than ten nations. 3000 heard the gospel and believed God. We do not know God after private interpretation of men or secret words that have no meaning.

Because our father knows what we need before we ask him he is watching to see if we are walking with him as two in harmony.

If we would make a mistake and not pronounce the word He understands if we do.
 
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5 4 3 2 LOL Blast off.

Every person prays in their native tongue whether in their heart or orally . When Peter prayed being moved the Holy Spirit .His God worked in men and interpreted it in many tongues all at the same time. Most likely more than ten nations. 3000 heard the gospel and believed God. We do not know God after private interpretation of men or secret words that have no meaning, words that that peep, and that mutter.

Because our father knows what we need before we ask him he is watching to see if we are walking with him as two in harmony.

If we would make a mistake and not chose the right word or pronounce the word He understands if we do.
 

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5 4 3 2 LOL Blast off.

Every person prays in their native tongue whether in their heart or orally . When Peter prayed being moved the Holy Spirit .His God worked in men and interpreted it in many tongues all at the same time. Most likely more than ten nations. 3000 heard the gospel and believed God. We do not know God after private interpretation of men or secret words that have no meaning, words that that peep, and that mutter.

Because our father knows what we need before we ask him he is watching to see if we are walking with him as two in harmony.

If we would make a mistake and not chose the right word or pronounce the word He understands if we do.
I'm curious about this theory of interpretive hearing in Acts chapter two.

I will launch a topic about it if you would bring your thoughts, I would appreciate it. Thanks.
Topic title: Challenging the theory of interpretive hearing in Acts chapter two
 

Sketch

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once personal experience cannot be confirmed, not that you did not do what you say you did, but the word of God is the authority on the topic as many see in the word of God for the gift and against the gift for today.
Can you explain the logic in your post?

You say "the word of God is the authority on the topic..."
But then say "... many see in the word of God for the gift and against the gift for today."

How can the word of God be the authority on the topic if positions are taken both for and against? (both confirmed by the word)
Someone must be wrong, if that is the case.

Also, your post begins by saying "personal experience cannot be confirmed".
Is it not confirmed by the testimony of the one with the experience?
Unless it can be proven otherwise. It seems the burden of proof should on the naysayers.
Unless we have dismissed the fact that, with God all things are possible.
 

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Can you explain the logic in your post?

You say "the word of God is the authority on the topic..."
But then say "... many see in the word of God for the gift and against the gift for today."

How can the word of God be the authority on the topic if positions are taken both for and against? (both confirmed by the word)
Someone must be wrong, if that is the case.

Also, your post begins by saying "personal experience cannot be confirmed".
Is it not confirmed by the testimony of the one with the experience?
Unless it can be proven otherwise. It seems the burden of proof should on the naysayers.
Unless we have dismissed the fact that, with God all things are possible.
Well Sketch, these naysayers have obviously been hurt in the past by someone trying to force out the gift of tongues. It must have been very unpleasant for them. I wish people would not do that, it gives the real thing a bad name.

Good move on starting a thread on interpretative tongues. I have not been given that gift as yet, but I have experienced it. The real thing is orderly and in my opinion, authentic. I have the gift of prayer tongues which I sought after and received. Of course, you know that that is a different gift altogether. :cool:
 

CS1

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Can you explain the logic in your post?

You say "the word of God is the authority on the topic..."
But then say "... many see in the word of God for the gift and against the gift for today."

How can the word of God be the authority on the topic if positions are taken both for and against? (both confirmed by the word)
Someone must be wrong, if that is the case.

Also, your post begins by saying "personal experience cannot be confirmed".
Is it not confirmed by the testimony of the one with the experience?
Unless it can be proven otherwise. It seems the burden of proof should on the naysayers.
Unless we have dismissed the fact that, with God all things are possible.
First off a personal experience as describes by some are not authoritative. As I was speaking to the brother who was telling about his personal use of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.


In context as to for the Gifts of the Holy Spirit being for today is seen in 1cor chapter 12 to 14. Nothing states in the chapters or in the word of God, the gifts are not for today.
Those who say it is not for today have not shown in scripture that to be a true they too, base this on their own experience and understanding. There is no burden of proof; there are just scoffers and mockers of the gift of the Holy Spirit. In the context of personal experience it is said by many " your experieance cannot be verified “, so the only way to agree has to be with the Word of God. One does not have to provide another in this setting with proof, that is for you to seek. Facts are not truth, they are changing as more truth is seen. Yes the testimony of a person can be true yet in the setting it is not going to be seen is it?
 

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well septuagint was off. some say, some, that there is evidence that the old testament was originally written in hebrew, aramaic and greek. but what difference does it make. we have copies of the originals, they did not have zeroxes back in the day!
what book of the old testament was written in GREEK??
 

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Romans 12: 3-8 Paul is addressing the church at Rome AD 58

3 God has allotted to each believer a measure of faith
4 not all members have the same function
6 we have gifts that differ according to the grace given us, let each person experience them accordingly:

if prophecy, then according to his faith,
if service, in his serving
he who teaches, in his teaching
he who exhorts, in his exhortation
he who gives liberally
he who leads with diligence
he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness

I do not see babble listed here. Tongues was a language. The apostles in Acts 2 used that gift of new language to share the gospel to the people who had come to Jersalem for the feast of harvest (Shavout), we see that there are like 12 different tribes represented there from places that did not share a common language.

oh, and prophecy means speaking forth the word of God for the edifying of the people.......not fortune-telling.
 

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Well Sketch, these naysayers have obviously been hurt in the past by someone trying to force out the gift of tongues. It must have been very unpleasant for them. I wish people would not do that, it gives the real thing a bad name.

Good move on starting a thread on interpretative tongues. I have not been given that gift as yet, but I have experienced it. The real thing is orderly and in my opinion, authentic. I have the gift of prayer tongues which I sought after and received. Of course, you know that that is a different gift altogether. :cool:
I agree. It should never be forced or required.
We should help those who desire to use the gifts. And assist them in understanding and achieving success.
(yes, it is a learned thing)
 

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I do not see babble listed here. Tongues was a language. The apostles in Acts 2 used that gift of new language to share the gospel to the people who had come to Jersalem for the feast of harvest (Shavout), we see that there are like 12 different tribes represented there from places that did not share a common language.
oh, and prophecy means speaking forth the word of God for the edifying of the people.......not fortune-telling.
Romans 12 is not the same as 1Corinthians 12 and 14 which specifically list the nine specific gifts by the Holy Spirit that are distributed and readily available to the Pentecostal congregation of the Spirit-filled church.
Included in this list are three voice gifts: diversity of tongues; interpretation and prophecy (inspired speaking).
My church operates these three gifts at our worship meetings following the specific instructions laid out in 1Corinthians 14 by Paul.

Getting back to Romans 12, here Paul is describing gifts/talents distributed for the effective functioning of various offices and ministries necessary in the church as there are many members and all can not be doing the same work:

4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teaches, on teaching;
8 Or he that exhorts, on exhortation: he that gives, let him do it with simplicity; he that rules, with diligence; he that shows mercy, with cheerfulness.
 

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1 Corinthians 12 (ESV)
Spiritual Gifts
12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.
2 You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led.
3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!”
and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit. [this is praying in tongues, praying in the Spirit].
4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit;
5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord;
6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone.
7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.
8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit,
9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, [discernment]
to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.

And in my Pentecostal church all nine gifts are readily evident and used.
Jesus said that these signs shall follow them that believe the gospel of salvation and are baptised (water and Spirit).
 

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All can speak in tongues. Every one. It is not a gift reserved for only some people. Do not think that God is withholding something from you if you don't yet know how to speak in tongues. And God doesn't and won't love you any less if you never did.
 

GraceAndTruth

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1 Corinthians 12 (ESV)
Spiritual Gifts
12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed.
2 You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led.
3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!”
and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit. [this is praying in tongues, praying in the Spirit].
4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit;
5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord;
6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone.
7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.
8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit,
9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, [discernment]
to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.

And in my Pentecostal church all nine gifts are readily evident and used.
Jesus said that these signs shall follow them that believe the gospel of salvation and are baptised (water and Spirit).
the Coriinthians were being scolded...again....by Paul for running amok with their excesses. I seem to remember Paul saying something about seeming to be a barbarian?

Historically these gifts ceased with the apostles. Have since manifested a few times in other centuries by heretics like the Montanists. The newer outbreak started in England and then at the camp meetings of Wesley. None of those so-called pastors preached sound doctrine, each had strange ideas. However there are gifts to the church of teaching, exhorting,hospitality, etc. and these did not pass away as the sign gifts did......for signs were for the Jews
22 SO THEN…..TONGUES ARE FOR A SIGN TO UNBELIVERS (Jews according to v 21) and PROPHECY is for BELIEVERS