Is Universalsim in Opposition to the Bible?

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eternally-gratefull

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Unless they get a Governor’s Pardon which is what Jesus has done for us. :love:
If they made it there, They basically said they rejected the pardon

For the rest of us. AMEN
 
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eternally-gratefull

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this means you dont know what it means?
John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

It means universalism is false.. Because universalism says there are. Other ways.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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before you said anyone that does not come to Jesus, now its anyone that rejects Jesus. so which is it? if you think both please explain how someone that never heard of Jesus rejects Jesus?
Romans 1.

Not hearing the name of Jesus is no excuse. The HS is sent to the whole world to convict them of sin righteousness and judgement

If someone is positive to his convictions and asks God for truth, God will go out of his way to send them the truth.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The Lake of Fire is the second death. There is no cure from the Lake of Fire. It appears to be final - the place where the soul is destroyed.

In Hades the soul is tormented but not destroyed.
The soul is not destroyed. The worm will never die.. Never means never.

If you think you can sin all you want and reject gods gracious gift, and its ok, because you will eventually cease to exist. Your sadly mistaken.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Seriously?
You have no idea what that means? Wow.

"No one comes to the father but through me" - eternally-gratefull

No idea what that means.
Really?

No one comes but through Jesus

is that SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND????.


Lets break it down to something people can understand, Sich obviously some do not.

Jesus is at the entrance, He says whoever wants to enter, Come to him, and he will take you in,

Try to enter any other way, An dyou will NOT GET IN.

JESUS is the only one wiht power to take us in,

We can follow him all the way to the end, But if we do not give him our hand so he can take us, we will never enter in. Many disciples followed him, until he said they must go through him, And this offended them so they left.

There is ONLY ONE WAY.
 

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No.. Universalism is just false..
I agree.
There is no salvation in Universalism.
And actually, Universalism is anti-biblical and anti-God.

But there is a broader issue here.
It is about the final judgment of individuals.
In each case, God has the option to show mercy, or to require justice.
We may be in for some surprises in that regard.

Even our own salvation depends on a relationship with God.
If someone has the relationship, even outside of biblical parameters,
who are we to say which way that might go?
 

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Really?

No one comes but through Jesus

is that SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND????.
Well... you were incapable of explaining it just a few posts ago.
You seem to have wised up in a big hurry. What happened?
 

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is that SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND????.

Lets break it down to something people can understand, Sich obviously some do not.

Jesus is at the entrance, He says whoever wants to enter, Come to him, and he will take you in,

Try to enter any other way, An dyou will NOT GET IN.

JESUS is the only one wiht power to take us in,

We can follow him all the way to the end, But if we do not give him our hand so he can take us, we will never enter in. Many disciples followed him, until he said they must go through him, And this offended them so they left.

There is ONLY ONE WAY.
And if you someone that had never even heard of Jesus, then what?
Someone that was never given the invitation. What would you do if you were God?
 

Hevosmies

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Yes it is.

Matthew 25:46

UNIVERSALISM DEBUNKED. NEXT!
 

Hevosmies

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Whenever the Bible says "forever" or "everlasting" the greek word aiónios is being translated. Strong's Greek defines this word as "age-long, eternal."
Dont fall for this guys. All the non-registered people reading this DONT FALL FOR IT.

If what he is saying is true (WHICH ITS NOT) then our ETERNAL LIFE, would come to an end.
Matthew 25:46 has the same word aionios for ETERNAL LIFE and ETERNAL judgment. Therefore both are of the SAME DURATION.
 

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Unless they get a Governor’s Pardon which is what Jesus has done for us. :love:
That's a great point. Ultimately it is up to God.

Even we were already condemned before we received grace.
We were pardoned for our debt. God has the right to do that even at the final judgment.
 

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Yes it is.

Matthew 25:46

UNIVERSALISM DEBUNKED. NEXT!
But who are the righteous?

When was Cornelius saved?
Did he not already have a relationship with God before Peter came to his home to preach?

Acts 10:22
The men replied, “We have come from Cornelius the centurion. He is a righteous and God-fearing man, who is respected by all the Jewish people. A holy angel told him to ask you to come to his house so that he could hear what you have to say.”
 
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eternally-gratefull: Many disciples followed him, until he said they must go through him, And this offended them so they left.
Nope.

Try again.

That is not what offended them. Read the account in John 6:60-71. What offended them is the fact they cannot come to him unless it had been granted by the father. In other words salvation wasn't theirs due to their free will choice.

That is what offended them, so they went away. They wanted salvation their way.

We see the same thing today, people make up their own Jesus and say they can come to him in their own free will. That is what is offensive to many.

Jesus stated it concisely: "The flesh profits nothing," yet we have those today who deny this and say "Oh yes it does, I chose my way into heaven by free will!!!!!!!!!!!!" That is what offends people, not the above truncated statement by eg.
 

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I agree.
There is no salvation in Universalism.
And actually, Universalism is anti-biblical and anti-God.

But there is a broader issue here.
It is about the final judgment of individuals.
In each case, God has the option to show mercy, or to require justice.
We may be in for some surprises in that regard.

Even our own salvation depends on a relationship with God.
If someone has the relationship, even outside of biblical parameters,
who are we to say which way that might go?
The Only Way to have Eternity in Gods perfect Existence is by being Redeemed by the LORD Jesus Christ and that is obtained by Believing Jesus and trusting in the Atonement He secured to Redeem us...

There is no other Way..
 

Sketch

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The Only Way to have Eternity in Gods perfect Existence is by being Redeemed by the LORD Jesus Christ and that is obtained by Believing Jesus and trusting in the Atonement He secured to Redeem us...

There is no other Way..
Does the impossible never happen?

I asked another poster about Cornelius.
Was Cornelius saved before or after Peter preached at his home?
He obviously already had a relationship with God. On what basis?
 

preston39

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Well... you were incapable of explaining it just a few posts ago.
You seem to have wised up in a big hurry. What happened?
S....,

You are applying earthly experiences....G-d does not make a mistake. All will be exposed before judgement is applied. Otherwise, G-d would be in error....... and that can't happen.
 
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I need to say that I do believe that Jesus is the only way to the Father. I wonder if you believe it is possible that all men will come to the Father through Jesus.
No.......the bible is clear on this.....Broad and wide is the way that leads to destruction and MANY will go in there at.......and....Many will come before me in that day saying, "LORD, LORD, have we not done many wonderful works in your name, have we not cast out demons in your name and have we not prophesied in your name." AND JESUS will say unto them...I NEVER KNEW YOU depart from me ye that work iniquity.

Whosoever is not found written in the book of life WILL be cast ALIVE into the lake of fire......

MANY are called, but FEW are chosen <---not the word ALL is not found anywhere in that text!!