How old is the earth?

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memyselfi

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This post is not about evolution. That is an entirely different subject.
Is it not about G-d created Earth in the beginning?

Since you think not… What is it about? Not HIs word? Did He not create Earth instead of a big bang? 4. something billion years ago?
 

memyselfi

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Who told you the earth is 6,000 years old? Scripture doesn't say that. It tells us of the people who lived here since the day God created Adam and made the earth to contain His goodness, but it does not tell us the age of the earth.
Who told you it is not 6,000 some years old?
 

Blik

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Is there a possibility I was not born in 1969, some guy is suing, in America, for what ever, he says since you can be wat ever gender you want why can he be not what age he wants.... I want to be in my 70's to get social security.... That sounds like you...

Is evolution right or G-d?
I am in my 90's and have been on Social Security for a long time, thank you.
Why in the world does this post make you think of evolution? It has no relation to that theory. I am speaking of what scripture tells us, not some odd ball theory.
 

Blik

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Is it not about G-d created Earth in the beginning?

Since you think not… What is it about? Not HIs word? Did He not create Earth instead of a big bang? 4. something billion years ago?
Where do you find that I don't know God created the earth in the beginning?
 

theanointedwinner

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#45
Who told you the earth is 6,000 years old? Scripture doesn't say that. It tells us of the people who lived here since the day God created Adam and made the earth to contain His goodness, but it does not tell us the age of the earth.
why doesn't God state in the Bible as clear as possible the exact age of the earth?

why leave people debating about it?

if God doesn't say in the Bible the exact age of the earth, is it even important to know the exact age of the earth? if it's important, why not say it clearly in a bible verse for us to refer to?
 

memyselfi

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I am in my 90's and have been on Social Security for a long time, thank you.
Why in the world does this post make you think of evolution? It has no relation to that theory. I am speaking of what scripture tells us, not some odd ball theory.
My mom is on Hopis and knows G-d created the heavens and Earth in around 6,000 years...You started the post and responded to my post...

So you cannot defend the earth is billions of years old?
 

memyselfi

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why doesn't God state in the Bible as clear as possible the exact age of the earth?

why leave people debating about it?

if God doesn't say in the Bible the exact age of the earth, is it even important to know the exact age of the earth? if it's important, why not say it clearly in a bible verse for us to refer to?
I agree the exact age it is not important but what is important is knowing G-d created it... See if we do not have a Creator to answer to why do we need Salvation anyway!?! Why should not "man" do right in his own eyes like Israel did in the Book of Judges?

Understanding our Creator matters and life, earth was not some random chance. In fact random is even more plausible than evolution...
 
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Some believe from a passage of scripture in the book of Jeremiah 4:
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

this to them mean, there was a creation before Adam and that creation was destroyed by God. They believe God destroyed it with water before Noah's flood, but left the water to ensure everything completely died since Genesis 1:2 says the Spirit of God hovered over the face of the deep (water). They believe that Genesis 1:1 literally meant there was a creation of everything and it was finished as it was good to God. Then Genesis verse 2 reveals a different view of this finished/completed world in chaos, complete darkness, and under water.


If this is actually true, the world could be hundreds of thousand years old. I don't buy the billions of years old, but I can definitely see this world being older than 6,000 years. For one, it's believed that Cain killed Abel when he was in his 20's and then after he left found more people including a wife. If this is true, and we know Abel and Cain were Adam's first children born, it would have been impossible for Adam to populate the earth already for Cain to find himself a wife. This basically proves other people were here when Adam was created, or were also created not long after but never mentioned until Cain found a wife.

I definitely do not buy the world being 6,000 years old. We can look at ice rings, tree rings, rock definitions to see some of them are well over 20,000 years old. But I love mathematics and science because they both ultimately prove the existence of God!
 

theanointedwinner

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I agree the exact age it is not important but what is important is knowing G-d created it... See if we do not have a Creator to answer to why do we need Salvation anyway!?! Why should not "man" do right in his own eyes like Israel did in the Book of Judges?

Understanding our Creator matters and life, earth was not some random chance. In fact random is even more plausible than evolution...
apologetic? let me give you a "low down"

Exodus 33:20 - no one can see God's face and live

therefore, God cannot be proven empirically, so let's try logic
atheist can mock our logic

therefore, we are intellectually an agnostic for this

the implication of this is simple: we will not be able to prove the afterlife

so hell is a concept that cannot be ignored <-- for this point, we can insert **hellfire preaching** if we can get good at that, and I bet that when Satan start to realize that Satanic attacks somehow become an opportunity to preach hellfire, the look on Satan's face would be priceless. :sneaky: Imagine that
 

JohnRH

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I don't think scripture tells us that God began creating the earth "in the beginning". It does not say when that beginning was. To understand what scripture tells us we need to trace back to the original Hebrew that the first men who heard God spoke in, and what those words meant to them.

Genesis 1: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

In the beginning our earth was described by the Hebrew word choshek. This word means lifeless, dark, chaotic. It does not tell us there was nothing there when scripture lists the days of creation, but that the earth was dark and forbidding.

When scripture describes the first day of creation, it tells us that “owr” was created. This is a Hebrew word always translated as light, it means enlightenment, joy, life, and good. Physical light was not created until the fourth day. Owr is a Godly light. On this day God created light as we as human think of it.

On the fourth day the light created was called maor, or the plural of that is maorof. This is a name for objects that illuminate. Translators used our word light for both of these very different Hebrew words.
Ancient Hebrew was first written in pictograph, then without vowels.

We know that God is in a dimension different from ours because God is eternal. Time is part of the dimension humans live in, eternity puts God in a different dimension. Scripture tries to explain that dimension to us.

Scientist do not know what God knows about us for God created what scientist try to discover. But often they discover the truth of what we have misread scripture about. That happened about "the four corners of the earth". People said the earth was square, but scientist told them what that scripture meant. I think it is the same with the age of our earth.
The earth is about 6,000 years old and was created on day 1.
Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep" describes an incomplete creation on day 1, that when completed was "very good" at the end of the 6th day.
 

Blik

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#53
why doesn't God state in the Bible as clear as possible the exact age of the earth?

why leave people debating about it?

if God doesn't say in the Bible the exact age of the earth, is it even important to know the exact age of the earth? if it's important, why not say it clearly in a bible verse for us to refer to?
God doesn't give us information that we don't need, but I think we have developed a need for this information because now science is telling us that the bible isn't true based on that the earth is old and they tell us scripture tells us it isn't. Their position is that if they can prove one thing scripture is not right about then nothing told in scripture can be relied on.

Now, I think it is needed that we realize scripture is right but interpretation is wrong. There was a need to correct interpretation when the earth was proven to be round and scholars told that scripture said it was square. It is the same today.

God is truth and it is truth the world needs. It damaged the world when science convinced anyone not to believe in the truth of the Lord.
 

memyselfi

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#54
God doesn't give us information that we don't need, but I think we have developed a need for this information because now science is telling us that the bible isn't true based on that the earth is old and they tell us scripture tells us it isn't. Their position is that if they can prove one thing scripture is not right about then nothing told in scripture can be relied on.

Now, I think it is needed that we realize scripture is right but interpretation is wrong. There was a need to correct interpretation when the earth was proven to be round and scholars told that scripture said it was square. It is the same today.

God is truth and it is truth the world needs. It damaged the world when science convinced anyone not to believe in the truth of the Lord.
When was the Bible proven wrong? Psalm 40 has always clearly says the circumference of the EARTH.... Can anything damage the Word of G-d?

If so why believe a man can die on a cross, rise in three days, and come back sometime in the future?

Why believe that hat fairy-tail we have science!?!
 

Blik

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When was the Bible proven wrong? Psalm 40 has always clearly says the circumference of the EARTH.... Can anything damage the Word of G-d?

If so why believe a man can die on a cross, rise in three days, and come back sometime in the future?

Why believe that hat fairy-tail we have science!?!
Nothing can damage the word of God, but people can be damaged if they don't believe in God.

If you understand that Jesus died on a cross and rose in three days you guarantee your future.
 

Blik

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When was the Bible proven wrong? Psalm 40 has always clearly says the circumference of the EARTH.... Can anything damage the Word of G-d?

If so why believe a man can die on a cross, rise in three days, and come back sometime in the future?

Why believe that hat fairy-tail we have science!?!
The bible has never been proven wrong, for in scripture we have truth. But there are people who don't understand this. We are to minister to these people.
 

memyselfi

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The bible has never been proven wrong, for in scripture we have truth. But there are people who don't understand this. We are to minister to these people.
And have doing so by debating!!! lol...
 
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jaybird88

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Yes. "In the beginning". When was the beginning?
the Most High does not have a beginning. it doesnt make sense to me that He only began making worlds when He made this one. what was He doing before this world?