Because of the unbelief of the Jews Gentiles are grafted in.

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Churinga

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Yet we have learnt very little and the worldliness that the Gentile Christians practice and the diversification found in doctrines and practices sets us so far apart from Judaism.
 

Embankment

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I must say most of today’s church believes in Jesus but denies the teachings of the Christ.
 

Quantrill

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Yet we have learnt very little and the worldliness that the Gentile Christians practice and the diversification found in doctrines and practices sets us so far apart from Judaism.
Gentiles were never grafted into 'Judaism'.

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GraceAndTruth

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Gentiles were never grafted into 'Judaism'.

Quantrill
Yes they were

17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root[b] of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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I'm looking for a different quote by George V Wigram... but (in the meantime) in its place, I'll just post this brief portion also by him (note the phrase "God's governmental ways on earth," which is what I believe Roman's 11's "olive tree" represents):

[quoting]

"Gen. 27:29 [Isaac blessing Jacob]. Let peoples (gamnzim, pl.) serve thee and [manners or sorts of ] nations (l'ummim, pl.) bow down to thee: be lord [a mighty man] over thy brethren.

"Observe, this would not run the source of the division of people back to Shem, Ham and Japhet, so as to make the word to be equivalent to what we call the races of people, in connection with the Noahic earth, who constitute the whole human family. The subdivision here alluded to took place in the family of Isaac, type of the heir of promise, not earlier; and the heads of this subdivision are brought before us in Rom. 9 All God's ways and subdivisions are to be noted."

[also]

"f Israel is the goh'y of experience, promise, blessing on the earth; the center of all God's governmental ways on earth; but in saying that, I look at them from outside and as one whole. When they are owned as gammi, my people, their detailed state and associations within is the aspect in which they are considered."

--George V Wigram

http://bibletruthpublishers.com/heb...t-testimony-psalms-article/g-v-wigram/la61041
 

TheDivineWatermark

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… found the other G V Wigram quote I was looking for originally ^ :

[quoting]

"[re: Romans 11] In Jesus Christ, if the question be about Christian position, eternal life, or the Church considered in her essential relationship to Christ, there was neither Jew nor Gentile; the thoughts found in this chapter [Romans 11] can THERE have no place. If the question be about the cutting off of an individual for sinful conduct, little matters it whether he be Jew or Gentile; that has nothing to do with it, and on the other hand, there would be no question about grafting in again of the Jews more than of any others, and neither Jews nor others could be grafted in, if God had cut them off in such a manner. And if it were a question about a warning from the Apostle to Christians at Rome, and so to others elsewhere, as being brethren, it would be almost nonsense to say, " And thou, O Gentile, take heed!" Why, thou, O Gentile? Had not Christians, Jews by birth, as much need to take heed? Or could the Spirit of God, in such a warning, have made the distinction, and thus denied the principle of, the Church of God in which there is neither Jew nor Gentile? If the question is about a divine administration upon earth, then God can well make the distinction and develop his ways towards the one and the other; and it is plain that from the commencement of the ninth chapter the Apostle is occupied with and pointedly contrasts the Jews and the Gentiles, presenting us with the administration of the divine ways upon the earth. First declaring his attachment to Israel, he points out an election in the election for the earth, and further, that if God according to his sovereignty had chosen Israel (and such was Israel's boast), He had not renounced His sovereignty; and consequently, He could call the Gentiles if he would. Then he recalls to mind that the prophets had shown that a little remnant only, of Israel, at such an epoch, would be saved, and that a stone of stumbling would be laid in Zion."

-- Thoughts on Romans 11 and the Responsibility of the Church, Present Testimony: Volume 4 George V. Wigram

http://bibletruthpublishers.com/tho...the-church/present-testimony-volume-4/la85282

[end quoting; bold and underline mine]

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Also, passages such as Romans 11:15 "For if the casting away of them [Israel] be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them [Israel] be, but life from the dead?" [see also Romans 11:25-28].

Which correlates with the passages such as Ezekiel 37:3-28 (vv.12-14,20-23; dry bones prophecy); Daniel 12:2-3 (vv.1-4; Israel coming up out of "the dust of the earth" [where scattered]); Isaiah 26:16-21; Hosea 5:15-6:3 [none of which are referring to a physical/bodily resurrection of formerly-deceased people], all referring to end time events (leading up to His Second Coming to the earth, FOR the purposes prophesied... and pertaining to Israel)
 
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jaybird88

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Because of the unbelief of the Jews Gentiles are grafted in.
the majority of the Jews were believers.
 

Quantrill

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Yes they were

17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root[b] of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true.
Yes, we were grafted in, but in my opinion, not to Judaism. We were brought into the 'commonwealth of Israel' (Eph. 2:12) and into the covenants, most specifically the Abrahamic covenant.

I see Judaism as a man made religion with many other writings and books to instruct them other than the Old Testament.

Quantrill
 

glf1

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Yet we have learnt very little and the worldliness that the Gentile Christians practice and the diversification found in doctrines and practices sets us so far apart from Judaism.
The feast of Pentecost uses leavened bread. The Lord could have waited until we were resurrected and without a carnal nature to indwell us, but its like he just couldn't wait for us to be one with him, even at the expense of having to experience our sins with us to do so.
The milk of the word of righteousness is fed by the Spirit to those who are babes in Christ, and who have not yet laid a foundation of repentance from dead works. Milk is our spiritual food, until we, by reason of use, have had our senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Those who are of full age or mature are those who are able to walk after the Spirit, denying the lusts of the flesh. Strong meat of the word is only for the mature otherwise its the milk of the word of righteousness for the babes in Christ. There are so many babes now a days that many believers don't believe that anyone is even able to really deny the lusts of the flesh; which is a bit too close to being of those who have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof. So sadly, as a result, the church is full of man made doctrines and carnal babes stumbling in sin; who insist that they have the truth over all others.
Its not the accuracy of one's doctrines that brings the anointing of the Lord's presence upon the faithful, its comes by walking in obedience to the Spirit while ministering to those in need, whom the Lord loves as he does Jesus, our God and King forever.
Maranatha!
 
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jaybird88

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Wrong on this subject too!

The majority of the nation of Israel REJECTED Jesus as their Messiah. (and still do, to this day)
U have the leadership, the one percent at the top, confused with the masses, the majority.
 

JaumeJ

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Wrong on this subject too!

The majority of the nation of Israel REJECTED Jesus as their Messiah. (and still do, to this day)
It is correct to make reference to theJews for the nation of Israel had dwindled downt to Judah…….the ten tribes were already forming the diaspora.
 

p_rehbein

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the majority of the Jews were believers.
You sure about that? Isaiah might disagree........what with him saying .............thought your numbers be as the sands of the sea.......
 

p_rehbein

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We were adopted......and became heirs to the Promise...........grafted into that!!!!!!!!!!
 
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jaybird88

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You sure about that? Isaiah might disagree........what with him saying .............thought your numbers be as the sands of the sea.......
Who were those crowds that followed Jesus every where