God heareth not sinners vs Sinner's prayer

What do you guys think about it? Chime in!

If God did not hear sinners, no one could be saved.

God does not hear the insincere petitions of sinners with ulterior motives, that is motives of their own way rather than motives yielding to our Father in spirit and truth. Without yielding to our Father in spirit and truth, the sinner is not heard...….not at all.

If God did not hear sinners, no one could be saved.

God does not hear the insincere petitions of sinners with ulterior motives, that is motives of their own way rather than motives yielding to our Father in spirit and truth. Without yielding to our Father in spirit and truth, the sinner is not heard...….not at all.

That's not what the scriptures actually say though.

John 9:31
Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshiper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
^does not listen to
ἀκούει (akouei)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 191: To hear, listen, comprehend by hearing; pass: is heard, reported. A primary verb; to hear.

But, some will argue, how else do sinners repent and find their way into God's grace covenant of salvation?
Perhaps this:

2 Timothy 2:19 But the firm foundament of God standeth, having this mark [having this mark, either signet], The Lord knoweth which be his, and, Each man that nameth the name of the Lord, departeth from wickedness [depart from wickedness].


Numbers 16:5
And he spake to Korah, and to all the multitude; he said, Early the Lord shall make known which men pertain to him, and he shall apply, or draw, to him holy men; and they which he hath chosen, shall nigh to him. (And he spoke to Korah, and to all the multitude, and said, Early tomorrow the Lord shall make known which man pertaineth to him, for he shall draw to himself the man who is holy; and he whom he hath chosen, shall be near to him.)

Thank you for posting this. I found John 9:31 very interesting.

T

Same here. I think that combined with 2nd Timothy explains why those who are indwelt are saved.

That's not what the scriptures actually say though.

John 9:31
Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshiper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
^does not listen to
ἀκούει (akouei)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 191: To hear, listen, comprehend by hearing; pass: is heard, reported. A primary verb; to hear.

But, some will argue, how else do sinners repent and find their way into God's grace covenant of salvation?
Perhaps this:

2 Timothy 2:19 But the firm foundament of God standeth, having this mark [having this mark, either signet], The Lord knoweth which be his, and, Each man that nameth the name of the Lord, departeth from wickedness [depart from wickedness].


Numbers 16:5
And he spake to Korah, and to all the multitude; he said, Early the Lord shall make known which men pertain to him, and he shall apply, or draw, to him holy men; and they which he hath chosen, shall nigh to him. (And he spoke to Korah, and to all the multitude, and said, Early tomorrow the Lord shall make known which man pertaineth to him, for he shall draw to himself the man who is holy; and he whom he hath chosen, shall be near to him.)

I have responded (compound past tense) to th post previous to my own, thank you. Please bear (present) in mind the context and circumstances of the reply.

I have been thinking about this for a while, many people (me included) said the Sinner's prayer, or whatever you wish to call it.

I believe the idea of it is taken from Romans 10:9-10.

I see nothing wrong with it. Obviously it can be mis-used and has been as a repeat this after me and you're saved dont worry about it.

BUT: We know from both NT and OT scriptures that God heareth not sinners, so how does God hear the sinner's prayer? I guess you could say well you stop being a sinner when you put your faith in Christ FIRST in your heart, and THEN you confess it through that prayer outloud.
That is how I look at it.

What do you guys think about it? Chime in!

When man introduced sin into the world by disobeying God death was introduced for sin means death. God immediately gave a way to salvation and Christ was from the beginning.

For 4,000 years the blood of innocent, perfect animals was used as a symbol for Christ. As soon as man was able to hear and understand this God gave the feasts to us to celebrate this plan of forgiveness and to enact it in our life so it was a terrible thing when the church turned from this celebration and replaced it with manmade celebrations.

When we sin we are living without God, we are living with death but we have forgiveness offered. God is not with us during our sin, but God is with us the minute we turn to Him. That is why it is so very dangerous when men gloat about their not being under sin but grace and use this as a reason to ignore sin rather than to turn from it.

We are under grace through Christ, for God planned for our salvation from the beginning.

Man didn't invent sin.

Man didn't invent sin.

Whatever are you talking about? Are you saying that Adam and Eve did not introduce sin into the world? Where in the world did you come up with this man inventing sin?

Don't know if the OP intended it/or maybe he did, but, wow, this sure went to a celebration of Calvinism in a hurry...........

OK, would you prefer, create sin? Man did not create sin.
God did.
1 John 3:4 states that “sin is lawlessness.”
God created the law and just like in man's laws there are compliance factors and prosecutions for non-compliance.
The same with God's laws. There is compliance factors, as in the command, thou shalt not murder. And there are prosecutions for non-compliance. In God's law breaking his law is sin.
But the only way any of this became a factor in the beginning before humans was by God's will. His law and his ordained punishments for non-compliance.
Lucifer sinned in Heaven when he led the rebellion of 1/3rd of the Heavenly hosts in a war against God and the remaining angels. And for his sin he was cast down to the earth where we would become as that fallen spirit, lord of earth. Walking around going to and fro upon it, like a hungry lion seeking souls to devour. And yet, he wasn't forbidden to enter Heaven again. Job chapters 1 & 2.

God in the garden could have prevented the fall of man by not planting the tree of knowledge there. Or, he could have planted it but not made his law to make it a forbidden tree. An the punishment, the prosecution for disobeying his command to not eat, that of banishment from the garden and all the sufferings Adam and Eve would endure having come into full awareness of their flesh.
He could have forgiven them right then and there and he could have punished Satan as the wise angel that knew ahead of time which tree to slither up into so as to tempt a woman with no knowledge of his evil.
But he didn't.
God is sovereign. No thing happens outside his will.
Ephesians 1

We, the human race, made in the image and likeness of God, were the macrocosm to the story of Job and Satan microcosm.