Pre-Trib Rapture and Premillennialism are False Doctrines

The Coming of the Son of Man Luke 21 aka the Glorious Second Coming.
Note the tremendous anxiety on the earth (due to Trib judgments) and terrifying signs in the heavens. Yes, the world in its entirety will know it is Christ. Moreover, the 144,000 and two witnesses will have preached for 3.5 years beforehand, all seen on CNN.

25“And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

Furthermore, there was a precursor of sorts to the Second Coming.....not the final consummation of the Kingdom when Christ sets up his Rule. This was for the benefit of the disciples only, seen in secret by them ONLY, and kept secret by the command of Jesus until after the resurrection.

Matt 16
28Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Matt 17 (a small glimpse....a prequel if you will to the grandeur of the Second Coming).

1And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James, and John his brother, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became white as light

Please try not to change the subject that this passage is teaching:

Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: (19) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

The person who has the right to the tree of life is already saved! Father is making it very clear that the saved person who takes away from the words thus the meaning of His words of prophecy will lose his right to the tree of life.

That passage is making it very clear that we better be speaking exactly what the Word of God is teaching and thus as an oracle of God or we are liars:

1 Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Revelation 14:14-16 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. (15) And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. (16) And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

I don't care . . . you jumped me over my statement that eschatological views are non-essentials. How you see that as taking away from the Word is still a mystery. I don't see that as changing any subject.

Maybe we can do a thread on Jesus return in ad 70 one day.

No I did not jump over but simply pointed out that "eschatological views" are very important if your teaching them to others:

James 3:1 Be not many of you teachers, my brethren, knowing that we shall receive heavier judgment.

And I believe someone axed you what you are going on about and we are all still waiting. Which are you, and do thems of the other persuasions go to hell?

In the transition from Rev ch3 to ch4.

"Come up hither!" and John did! and he pops up there to find that the church is already raptured (future, of course) and singing God's praises.

I am sure you understand that true repentance is a change of mind where we exchange our natural mind for the mind of Christ:

1 Corinthians 2:14-16 Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually judged. (15) But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, and he himself is judged of no man. (16) For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

The "mind of Christ" does not teach many views but only one view on any specific doctrine. Do you have any idea why we have so many doctrinal differences today in the body of Christ???

I am a premillennial, dispensationalist. What are you? You seem incapable of answering that question, but you should probably try out for 'dancing with the stars.'

In other words, what is the one true way? That is, beside the shed Blood of Jesus Christ at Calvary's cross?

Well I started a couple of discussions and then had to leave and did not get back till a little bit ago so yes I am trying to work through these emails I have from these chats but you are right I do look like I am dancing all over the place because they are coming in as fast as I answer one

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Amen brother. A truth and fact unmistakeable in my daily walk in this world, and I am sure yours also. I see the unbelieving world and persons "out there" and is it a carbon copy of precisely how Paul describes it and them.

Wrong on all counts! It is you that are taking away from the Word of God. I'll not convince you . . . I'll leave that for Jesus at the GWT.

You might want to spend just a minute over on his website and look at his headings.

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There was nothing wrong with that post. Spot on. I have not seen the others you are referring to.

I just quickly went thru your webpage. I see nothing objectionable. What is everyone's problem? Am I missing something?

Amen brother! Please just be patient with "Baptistbiblebeliever" because I use to be in his shoes until I started studying the Word with the baptist vail removed and discovered how silly their doctrines were!

Ok I am going through the pages now and I see some problems.

"One of those ear tickling false doctrines in the church today is this fable that once a person is “saved” they are always saved which is often referred to as unconditional eternal security."

Now....this is a typical problem where commentators are confused with false disciples aka bad soils vs true disciples aka good soil. They mistakenly believe that it is a case of falling away or losing salvation. No. This is unscriptural and an incorrect interpretation. The false disciples aka casual disciples will always leave. The true will always stay. It may appear to an observer that a person has "lost their salvation", but it is a misinterpretation of the facts.

No its a case of the spirit being saved at the beginning of their salvation but the soul has not been fully repentant through faith:

1 Peter 1:9 receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.