Is Universalsim in Opposition to the Bible?

I don't believe Jesus would make a parrable as detailed as the one about the beggar Lazarus if there was no hell and people would not suffer there..

With that in mind lets read more from Paul in the book of Romans::

Romans 7: KJV
9 "For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. {10} And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death."

When was Paul alive without the Law ??? When He was an innocent little one..

This is my exact point. A half truth. John 3:17 represents the desire of the Father, not the will. Not everyone will be saved, though God wants that to be the case (that everyone repent). Yet people do not repent, for any given number of reasons.

As for your last question, God's foreknowledge doesn't infringe upon the will of the individual to repent and believe, and then become saved. His salvation is a free gift obtained through belief at the conviction of the Holy Spirit. He draws and people repent. Saved by grace through faith.

The view you present is as if God determined that Lillywolf would be saved, but John would go to Hell. That He purposed for this hypothetical John to be separate from Him, and you to be with Him for eternity. The problem with this line of reasoning is that it contradicts the desire of the Father, that all be saved.

Now, I must ask you. If the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement (as scripture says) who is without excuse? Everyone, for all fall short of God's glory and the Spirit convicts the world. Let us not forget too that creation also reveals the Father. We even have testimonies of Jesus visiting people in dreams and visions, revealing who He is. Do you truly think that God, righteous and just, would allow anyone to not have a chance to repent? He, throughout all of scripture, does it time and again, giving the opportunity to repent.

Universalism contradicts scripture, it is in opposition to the truth. Consider the parable of the sower and how the devil came in to steal the word out of their hearts "lest they should believe and be saved." That the enemy is trying to hinder the salvation of others clearly reveals the faulty logic of Universalism as a doctrine.

And what does the Lake of Fire do, but completely destroy.

Destroys what? When the soul returns to the God that gave it and the flesh to the dust from whence it came.

The HyperTexts Was Hell in the Original Bible?
The HyperTexts

Was Hell in the Original Bible?

Was "hell" in the original Bible? No, the word "hell" did not appear anywhere in the original Hebrew Bible, or Old Testament (OT). Not in a single verse! Furthermore the word "hell" is also very hard to find in the New Testament (NT). You can easily confirm this by using an online Bible search tool to scan various Bible translations for the word "hell." Or you can refer to the table below, which was produced by Gary Amirault, a Bible scholar who has extensively researched the question of "hell" as a biblical teaching. I have added two translations to Amirault's original list: the Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB), sponsored by the famously literal and conservative Southern Baptist Convention, and the New American Bible Revised Edition (NABRE), produced by more than a hundred Bible scholars working for the Roman Catholic Church. Amazingly, even the most conservative Bible scholars now agree that the God of the Hebrew prophets never mentioned "hell"―not even a single time―in Biblical chronologies covering thousands of years! You can confirm this astounding fact by reading the Bible and verifying that "hell" was never mentioned even to the worst people at the worst times! The possibility of "hell" or suffering after death was never mentioned to Adam and Eve (the original sinners), nor to Cain (the first murderer), nor to the wicked people at the time of Great Flood, nor to the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, nor even to the Pharaoh who defied Moses and his God repeatedly!

by Michael R. Burch, a "recovering fundamentalist"

The question raised by the table below is obvious. How can Christian churches continue to teach the dogma of "hell" when the Hebrew prophets, speaking for their God, never mentioned anything about "hell" or any possibility of suffering after death? And why did most of the writers of the NT also completely fail to mention "hell"? Modern Bible scholars seem to unanimously agree that the Hebrew word Sheoland the Greek word Hades do not mean "hell." This is because both Sheol and Hades clearly mean "the grave" or the abode of all the dead, good and bad. King David said that if he made his bed in Sheol, God would still be with him. Other psalmists, the sons of Korah, said that God would redeem their souls from Sheol. Job asked to be hidden from suffering in Sheol. In his famous Valley of the Dry Bones vision, Ezekiel prophesied that all Israel would be resurrected and saved. But Israel himself said that he would be reunited with his son Joseph in Sheol. How can all Israel be saved, if Israel himself is in hell? Each of these verses clearly refutes the idea of a "hell" that cannot be escaped, where God is absent, and where suffering is eternal. Furthermore, anyone who studies Greek mythology or the Wikipedia page on Hades can easily see that Hades was not "hell" either, because it contained heavenly regions such as the Elysian Fields and the Blessed Isles. The Greek hell was Tartarus, and that word appears in only a single Bible verse (2 Peter 2:4). If you read my hyperlinked article below, I believe that I can prove this is the only verse in the Bible that actually mentions hell, but it was for fallen angels awaiting judgment and thus it was not for human beings, nor was it eternal.

If this subject interest you, I have created a simple, logical proof that there is No Hell in the Bible, which you read without annoying ads by clicking the hyperlinked title. Now here is Gary Amirault's table ...

That is what I was indicating.

Bible Study About Death
(Compiled and logically sorted by Bible Stevenson)

Note: The King James Version Software of www.E-sword.org was used for this study. All of the Old Testament verses had no mention of individuals going to Heaven. I decided to only use the Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Daniel, Hosea, and all of the New Testament books for obvious reasons. I did a searches of the words “death”, “sleep”, “dead,” “died”, and ”die". I did not include the verses that had “sleep” in them which were not related to death. And I also didn’t included the verses with “died” in them which were in the genealogies or in other just historic contexts. I included some verses after each of the matches if there was any teaching about what happens after death. For each verse, determine who is involved and what else needs to be done. And finally figure out why the location of the verse or Bible passage, how are the other verses and passages before and after related?

***Introduction: This course is only for Christians as the following six verses indicate:

2 Corinthians 1:9
2 Corinthians 5:14-15
Colossians 1:18
Revelation 1:5-6
1 Thessalonians 5:9-10
2 Timothy 4:1
Psalms 76:5-6
Psalms 89:46-48
Psalms 104:27-29
James 2:26


***The following are mostly in order of their location in the Bible. Some have been moved for obvious reasons.
Create at least one question for each verse and passage.

Job 3:5
Job 3:20-22
Job 10:18-22
Ecclesiastes 7:1
Job 14:10-14
Job 27:15
Job 30:23
Job 42:16-17
Psalms 6:3-5
Psalms 9:11-13
Psalms 107:18
Proverbs 7:27
Proverbs 8:36
Proverbs 11:19
Psalms 22:15
Psalms 13:3
Psalms 33:18-19
Psalms 48:14
Psalms 49:6-15
Acts 2:29-35
Acts 13:36
Psalms 68:20
Psalms 78:43 & 50
Psalms 88:5 & 10
Psalms 115:17
Psalms 116:15
Proverbs 2:18
Proverbs 9:18
Proverbs 10:2
Proverbs 11:4
Proverbs 12:28
Proverbs 13:14
Proverbs 14:12 (&16:25), 27, & 32
Proverbs 18:21
Proverbs 21:6 & 16
Ecclesiastes 4:1-2
Ecclesiastes 7:25-26
Ecclesiastes 8:8
Ecclesiastes 9:5
Daniel 12:2
Hosea 13:9 & 14
Mark 5:23 & 35-43 (also in Matthew 9 and Luke 8)
Luke 7:11-16 & 22
Mark 6:14-16 (and in Matthew 14:1-2 and Luke 9:7-8)
Matthew 10:5-8
Matthew 15:4
Mark 9:9-10 (also in Matthew 17)
Mark 12:25-27 (also in Matthew 22:31-32 and see Luke 20)
Matthew 22: 33
Matthew 26:38 & Mark 14:34
Philippians 2:8
1 Peter 3:18
Hebrews 2:9, 14-18
Hebrews 9:15-16 & 27
Matthew 16:28
Mark 9:1
Luke 9:27
Luke 18:33
John 3:14-18
John 5:24
John 8:51-53
John 11:1-4, 11-15, 21-27, & 39-45
John 12:9-10
Acts 9:36-42
Acts 20:9-10
Romans 1:28-32
Romans 5:21
Romans 6:1-10 &15-23
Romans 7:5 10, 13, & 24
2 Corinthians 3:7-9
Philippians 3:7-12
Romans 8:1-6
Romans 8:36-39
1 Corinthians 3:21-23
1 Corinthians 4:9
1 Corinthians 11:26- 30
2 Corinthians 7:10
Philippians 1:20-21
Revelation 2:11
Revelation 6:8


Controversial:

Hebrews 11:5
Luke 16:22 & 30
James 1:15
James 5:20
1 John 3:14
1 John 5:14-18
John 5:24-27
John 6:57-58
1 Corinthians 15:20-21, 26, & 51-58
2 Timothy 1:10
Revelation 1:18
Romans 14:8-9
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
Hebrews 11:13 & 39-40
Revelation 9:6
Revelation 11:16-18
Revelation 13:3
Revelation 14:13
Revelation 18:8
Revelation 20:4-6 & 10-15
Revelation 21:4 & 8



Note: But there are no verses that say after death, Christians go to Heaven. My study about “Heaven” had the same results. When in history has the majority of people been right? What matters is if one has the right faith in God.

You realize we have nothing to do with our salvation?

You refute the scripture then that says God saved those who were his before he created the world.
2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

I thought that it was my new commitment to living for God on May 25, 1967, was why I was born again from meek self-righteousness, until I heard a sermon by a Calvinist pastor in Germany. Then I did research on predestination and election. But also my other over 200 Bible word studies showed that free choice exists too. What does it mean to accept Jesus as not just one's Savior but also one's Lord. And the Holy Spirit never yells or is a dictator. God the Father is not limited by current time and knows all and allows even bad to happen. He is so wonderful.

1-- About Electing By God The Father—ETRSF
https://app.box.com/s/vmcr9svlu9l7mbbjnavvz4obkbd1ptu3

3-- Word Studies-- https://app.box.com/s/z6gyg00kwnslxwy6ikxi2ki5gi3sjv2q

Excerpt:
What and how much that something more is, the Summa Contra Gentiles makes clear:

Human Freewill and Divine Predestination
Antony Flew untangles some confusion about David Hume, St Thomas Aquinas and the fiery fate of the damned.

I don't understand that at all. It seems that you rely on attempted additions to the Holy Bible instead of relying just on God's Word. The warnings at the end of Revelation are commonly done by most preachers too.

What warning would that be?

I thought that you could look in a Bible for yourself.
Revelation 22
12 “And, behold, I come quickly;
and My reward is with Me to give every one according to his work.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, The Beginning and The End, The First and The Last.”
14 Blessed are they who do His commandments,
that they may have right to the Tree of Life,
and may enter in through the gates into the City.
15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters
and whosoever loves and practices a lie.
16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.
I am The Root and the offspring of David, and The Bright And Morning Star.”
17 And The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.”
And let him (or her) who hears say, “Come.”
And let him (or her) who is thirsty come.
And whosoever will, let him (or her) take the water of life freely.
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the Prophecy of this Book:
If anyone shall add to these things,
God will add to him (or her) the plagues that are written in this Book;
19 and if anyone shall take away from the words of the Book of this Prophecy,
God will take away his (or her) part out of the Book of Life, from the Holy City,
and from the things which are written in this Book.

I know the Revelation passage. I was asking you to clarify your meaning. There is a discussion about this text on board already. Verse 18 speaks of John's revelations. Not the Bible itself.
You do realize that Apologetics, Bibliology, Soteriology, Theology, and other studies in faith all expound on the meaning and intent of scripture don't you?

I don't care about such opinions.
And no prophecy in the Bible is for private interpretation, meaning opinions. Those are facts and some of course are yet to be fulfilled. True Christians will not rely on opinions by religions, denominations, and preachers. They should be discerning all that they hear and read through the filter in relation to what they know of the Bible. Do a word search of the word "opinion" in the Bible. You will be shocked. 3 times in Job 32 when one of his adversaries rebukes him. In USA, we are overwhelmed with opinions everywhere. I have shared the severe warnings with many about adding or subtracting from God's Word. But most sermons and Bible study books add and many "sinner's prayer"s of easy believism and Grace only preachers subtract from the truths in Romans 3-10. We should be focusing on learning more and more the facts in the Bible so we can know what is true and false in the news, in sermons, in radio and TV programs, and in the Internet, and in other books.

***If Christians were doing what Proverbs 3:5-6, Philippians 2:1-5, and Ephesians 4:11-16 say,
they would be for almost all of the same things
because they would all be guided by The Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ (John 16:13).
Learning the mind of Christ means learning to think as He does.
But most Christians just want to focus on religious rituals, feelings, opinions, gossip, and slander instead.

Most preachers I have heard use Bible verses out of context and opinions and psychology.
I prefer verse by verse or careful word study sermons. Usually contexts of verses is very important.
I am just for what the Bible says.
I am not for arguing about denominational distinctives or spiritual theories.
Having the right faith in God and the Bible is what is important.
Our desire to become more Christ-like should be the result of such faith.

***The word “opinion” is found only 3 times in the KJV Bible,

all in Job 32 in one of Job's friend's exhortation speeches.

And modern media (especially the talk shows) and gossip times (especially in Christian churches)

are mostly negative opinions.

Arguments about feeling and opinions do not bear fruit;

good discussions do bear fruit when participants want to learn.

And remember the warnings in the end of Revelation about adding or subtracting from the Bible?

And what about the words “learn” and “know”?

The Bible emphasizes knowing absolutes and learning experientially,

and the Greek word in the New Testament for intellectual know are in bad contexts.

And what about the two wisdoms mentioned in 1 Corinthians 1-2?

How many kinds of truth are there and which kind should a true Christian be daily learning?

Philippians 2:1-5 and Ephesians 4:11-16 indicates a top priority of Christians

should be learning Jesus Christ,

how He thinks and how He ministered when He was in human form.

And God said,

“So shall My Word be that goes forth out of My mouth:

it shall not return unto Me void,

but it shall accomplish that which I please,

and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.” [Isaiah 55:11]


*** Poem That Teaches
JUSTIFICATION frees from sin.

SANCTIFICATION frees from the power of sin.
GLORIFICATION frees from the presence of sin.

JUSTIFICATION is for the repentant sinner.
SANCTIFICATION is for the surrendered disciple.
GLORIFICATION is for the victorious saint.

JUSTIFICATION takes care of the past.
SANCTIFICATION takes care of the present.
GLORIFICATION takes care of the future.

JUSTIFICATION changes the attitude.
SANCTIFICATION changes the character.
GLORIFICATION changes us from mortal to immortal.

In JUSTIFICATION, Jesus is our Savior.
In SANCTIFICATION, Jesus is our Master.
In GLORIFICATION, Jesus is our glorious King.

JUSTIFICATION is our title to Heaven.
SANCTIFICATION is our fitness for Heaven.
GLORIFICATION is our entrance to Heaven.

-Author Unknown

Good night, Lilly.

High IQs and a lot of head knowledge usually go against truely knowing and understanding God and His Word.

Good night, Bill.

Everyone here shares opinions about scripture and what it means. Bible scholars and those that specialize in particular fields of study concerning the scriptures share educated opinions and also that which is derived from the historic record of the Bible and its compilation over time.

There's a world of things one could say in rebuttal to that observation. I'll just say, when it works for you, that's all that matters.