Not By Works

Another baseless and moronic reply Seoche......you do realize that what you peddle is false and at the same time you break the rules of the forum.....so....as soon as they figure out who you are.....that sleepy little town called Banville........!!!!!

...Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. John 17:17

GOD'S WORD,

Not your words.

Too bad you do not understand and or filter the word through your Catholic dogma......you cannot even obey the rules of CC much less God......does it not say that if you are banned once to not come back under another name?

You can call me whatever name you want as you usually do but I'm not afraid like you.

...For, “Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech. He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it. For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are attentive to their prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.” Who is going to harm you if you are eager to do good? But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear what they fear; do not be frightened.” But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander. It is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him. 1 Peter 3:10-22

You really should lay off the juice....I am afraid of nothing pal....especially the truth!!!!!!!!!

Sure, Noah preached, some at least, but he also built a boat to survive the flood. I'm telling you, the rain is coming, better start building something.

I came here for the sole purpose of finding a few like minded people. I made a post under the 'conspiracy' section concerning the end times. Perhaps you might find something of value in it.

Some Christians say that any attempt to obey God’s law amounts to legalism. Yet Jesus said if you really love God, you’ll do what He asks. So, is obedience really legalism?
God knows you and every person on earth better than we know ourselves. He takes a personal interest in every human being and sees all that we do. Not one word, thought, or deed is hidden from Him. “The very hairs of your head are all numbered” (Luke 12:7).

Is Obedience important?
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, ’shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21).
“If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17).
“He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him” (Hebrews 5:9).

Why is obedience important?
“Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it” (Matthew 7:14).
“He who sins against me wrongs his own soul; all those who hate me love death” (Proverbs 8:36).
“The LORD commanded us to observe all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that He might preserve us alive” (Deuteronomy 6:24).
Only one path leads to God’s kingdom. All roads do not lead to the same place. The Bible is the map—a guidebook with all the instructions, warnings, and information on how to safely reach that kingdom. To disregard any of it leads us away from God and His kingdom. The universe of God is one of law and order—including natural, moral, and spiritual. Breaking any of these laws has fixed consequences. When ignored, they result in sickness, torment, and unhappiness of every kind. Thus, the words of the Bible are not merely advice that we can accept or ignore without consequences. A person cannot live any way he wishes and still become Christlike—any more than a builder can ignore the blueprints for a house without running into trouble. This is why God wants you to follow the blueprint of Holy Scripture. There is simply no other way to true happiness.

Can we keep the commandments, can we obey?
“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find” (Matthew 7:7).
“Be diligent [study] to present yourself approved to God ... rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15).
“If any one wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God”(John 7:17).
“Walk while you have the light, lest darkness overtake you” (John 12:35). “As soon as they hear of me they obey me” (Psalm 18:44).

God promises to keep you from error and lead you safely to all truth if you will 1. - pray earnestly for guidance,
2. - sincerely study God’s Word, and
3. - follow truth as soon as you are shown.
In our own strength we will fail but with Jesus we can overcome all things.

Can we be too particular or does God want us to be faithful in all points?
“Surely none of the men who came up from Egypt ... shall see the land ... because they have not wholly followed Me, except Caleb ... and Joshua ... for they have wholly followed the LORD” (Numbers32:11,12).
“Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God” (Matthew 4:4).
“You are My friends if you do whatever I command you” (John 15:14).
He is particular. God’s people in Old Testament times learned this the hard way. Those who left Egypt for the Promised Land were a multitude in number. Of this group, only two, Caleb and Joshua, fully followed the Lord, and they alone entered Canaan. The others died in the wilderness. Jesus said we are to live by “every word” of the Bible. There is not one commandment too many or one commandment too few. They are all important!
Some people think it is too hard or impossible to keep the law so God doesn’t expect us to try.
“With God all things are possible” (Matthew 19:26).
“I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me” (Philippians 4:13).
“Thanks be to God who always leads us in triumph in Christ” (2 Corinthians 2:14).
“He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing” (John 15:5).
“If you are willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land” (Isaiah 1:19).
None of us can obey in our own power, but through Christ we can and must. Satan, in order to make God’s requests appear unreasonable, invented the falsehood that obedience is impossible.
The Bible actually teaches that true love to God doesn’t really exist without obedience. Nor can a person be truly obedient without a love and appreciation for God. No child will fully obey his parents unless he loves them, nor will he show love to his parents if he does not obey. True love and obedience are like conjoined twins. When separated, they die.
“Jesus answered ... ‘If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word ... He who does not love Me does not keep My words’ ”(John 14:23, 24).
“This is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3).

Doesn’t true freedom in Christ actually release us from obedience?
“If you abide in My word ... you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. ... Whoever commits sin is a slave of sin” (John 8:31,32,34).
“God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness” (Romans 6:17,18).
“So shall I keep Your law continually, forever and ever. And I will walk at liberty, for I seek Your precepts” (Psalm 119:44,45).
True freedom means freedom “from sin” (Romans 6:18), or disobedience, which is breaking God’s law (1 John 3:4). Therefore, true freedom comes only from obedience. The citizens who obey the law have freedom. The disobedient are caught and lose their freedom. Freedom without obedience is a false freedom—it leads to confusion and anarchy. True Christian freedom means freedom from disobedience. Disobedience always hurts a person and leads one into the cruel slavery of the devil.
“He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. ... In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:8, 10).
“Satan ... deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9).
The devil is responsible for disobedience. He knows that all disobedience is sin and that sin brings unhappiness, tragedy, alienation from God, and eventual destruction.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Praise God for the gift of Grace.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The life we are to live now is to be through the Faith of the Son of GOD. In this we are partakers in the Divine Nature. For it is GOD that is that works on us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. This is what it is to be saved. With man this is impossible; but with GOD all things are possible.

Sounds like new age mumbo jumbo to me.

The life we are to live now is to be through the Faith of the Son of GOD. (Gal. 2:20) In this we are partakers in the Divine Nature. (2Pet. 2:4) For it is GOD that is that works on us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. (Phil. 2:13) This is what it is to be saved. With man this is impossible; but with GOD all things are possible. (Mar. 10:27)

Faith IN not OF.

Divine Nature? Is that some new word for God that I haven't heard?? And, 2 Peter 2:4 says "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;" Not seeing how that fits your message.

Being saved means being saved. No need to add to the greatest gift possible, eternal life that is free from the bondage of sin.

And, clearly God can do whatever He wants to, He created everything.

Not sure how I feel about your wording. Who is Jesus Christ, in your view?

I love Romans. Quite the letter. In respect to obedience unto righteousness however.

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by (the) Faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

For Christ (the word in the heart and mouth; the Faith in which we speak) is the end of the law (that which is written on parchment and Tables of Stone) for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the word in the heart and mouth; the Faith in which we speak) down from above: ) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the word in the heart and mouth; the Faith in which we speak) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.

For GOD has said of old, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel (those who will stand with GOD) after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws (Christ; the Word) into their mind, and write them in their hearts (and in their Mouths): and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: As was available from the beginning of our LORD calling us to HIS Salvation as noted in Deut 30:6, 10-14.

The LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command (To hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart) thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word (Christ through which his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, HIS Laws; HIS Word) is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, (and in thy mind) that thou mayest do it.

In so much as we are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; (For it is He that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure)

Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter (not of parchment and of Tables of Stone), but of the spirit; (in the fleshly tables of the heart) for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones (and parchment; the Book of the Law), was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration (the Spirit of the Living GOD in the Hearts; true Faith; Christ in us the hope of Glory) of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.




(Rom 7:6; 8:3,4; 9:30-33; 10:4-8; Heb 8:10; Deu 30:6,10-14; 2Co 3:3-5)

Faith of and in.

Typo sorry 2Pet. 1:4

1) tldr; I asked you who you thought Christ is. A few sentences will suffice.

2) You spend a lot of time quoting Paul and other in the Bible, very little Christ. Not a good sign.

3) I like concise, numbered lists. You should try them.

Christ cannot have faith. He is God. Think again.

Sorry the Post was not to you.

Ok, that's where 'divine nature' comes from. Neat.

One issues I have with what you are saying...not a whole lot of meat. Making ethereal statements about reality does what exactly?

Oh, pfft, well excuse me!

Yea, my mistake. It is late and I've been fighting off a few trolls around here...and jabbing the Christians awake.

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep (that which is in the Hearts and minds) the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


For we are crucified with Christ: nevertheless we live; yet not us, but Christ liveth in us: and the life which we now live in the flesh we live by the Faith of the Son of God, who loved us, and gave himself for us.
(Gal 2:20;Rev 14:12)