Why Do Christians Ignore some of Jesus' Teachings?

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Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge,
my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
 

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A few have indicated that Job could have been the first written book of the Bible, though many
point to a later time of writing. Even if it were not written down prior to Mount Sinai, the narrative
appears to be before the children of Israel entered the land of Egypt during the time of Joseph.


Job knew about God before the Book of Genesis was written, as he said,
"I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear, but now my eye sees You"
(Job 42:5).

Commandment 1:

2 "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 "You shall have no other gods before Me. (Exodus 20:2-3)

The Book of Job states:

21 Blessed be the name of the LORD (Job 1:21).

28 This also would be an iniquity deserving of judgement,
For I would have denied God who is above (Job 31:28).

1 The Job answered the LORD and said: 'I know that You can do everything,
and that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You' (Job 42:1-2).

28 And to man He said, 'Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom,
and to depart from evil is understanding' (Job 28:28).

What is interesting about Job 28:28 is that Job said that this is what God said to man
and there is no record of this being said in Genesis (which is the primary biblical book
with information prior to the story of Job), thus this verse proves that God spoke to
humankind prior to Moses in at least one way that was not recorded in Genesis.

Thus this refutes the argument that none prior to Mount Sinai could have known what
the commandments were! If there were no commandments in effect, how could denying
God be an iniquity deserving of judgement?


Commandment 2:

4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image -- any likeness of anything that is
in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous
God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations
of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep
My commandments. (Exodus 20:4-6)

The Book of Job states:

27 If I have observed the sun when it shines, or the moon moving in its brightness,
so that my heart has been secretly enticed, and my mouth has kissed my hand;

28 This also would be an iniquity deserving of judgement,
For I would have denied God who is above (Job 31:27-28).

Observing of the sun and moon, whereby one is enticed, as well kissing one's own hand,
are believed by most commentators to have been practices associated with idolatry.
an iniquity deserving of judgement


Commandment 3:

7 "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord
will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain. (Exodus 20:7)

The Book of Job states:

5 It may be that my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts (Job 1:5).
21 Blessed be the name of the LORD (Job 1:21).
9 Curse God and die! (Job 2:9).

10 In all this, Job did not sin with his lips (Job 2:10).


The third commandment is clearly shown in Job to have been understood.
It is clear that before Mount Sinai one could 'sin with his lips,' and that 'sin' was
known to exist then (after Mount Sinai, God did tell the Israelites that the people
who used to live in the land sinned by violating this command, Leviticus 18:21,27).

21And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech,
neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.

26Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit
any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that
sojourneth among you: 27(For all these abominations have the men of the land done,
which were before you, and the land is defiled Leviticus 18:21,27

Commandment 4:

8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all
your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall
do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your
female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six
days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and
rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
(Exodus 20:8-11)

The Book of Job states:

13 So they sat down with him on the ground seven days and seven nights, and no
one spoke a word to him, for they saw that his grief was very great (Job 2:13).

Job 2:13 supports the concept that the week was being observed prior to Mount Sinai.
It is consistent with the two accounts in Genesis that a week was used as a period of
rejoicing (Gen 29:22,27-28) and grieving (Genesis 50:10).

1 Is there not a time of hard service for man on the earth (Job 7:1).

Job 7:1 supports the concept of "six days shall you labor" (Exodus 20:8)
which is part of the fourth commandment.

5 That the triumping of the wicked is short...
20 Because he knows no quietness in his heart (Job 20:5,20).

Job 20:20 supports the concept found in Hebrews 4:3-6
that those do who disobey "shall not enter My rest."

21 Now aquaint yourself with Him, and be at peace (Job 22:21).

Where as Job 22:21 supports the related concept that "we who believed do enter
that rest...There remains therefore a rest (Greek sabbitismos, 'a sabbath observance')
for the people of God" (Hebrews 4:3,9).

4 Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? (Job 38:4).

In Job 38:4, God says He 'laid the foundations of the earth' which is similar to the
concept in Exodus 20:11 'For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth,
the sea, and all that is in them'. Thus in Job we see the nearly all the concepts of the
fourth commandment.
 

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Was not Adam there with God on the first ever Sabbath day?
It wasn't a Sabbath for Adam. The day of rest comes after six days of work.
What day was it for Adam?
 

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Commandment 5:

12 "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land
which the Lord your God is giving you. (Exodus 20:12)

The Book of Job states:

21 His sons come to honor (Job 14:21).

5 He who speaks flattery to his friends, even the eyes of his children will fail (Job 17:5).

8 But the mighty man possessed the land, and the honorable man dwelt in it (Job 22:8).

These verses support the concept that one is to be honorable, children are to honor their
father, and that the children are to become honorable, whereas the fifth commandment
says to give honor (Exodus 20:12) which implies that parents are to be honorable.

Commandment 6:

13 "You shall not murder. (Exodus 20:13)

The Book of Job states:

14 The murderer rises with the light; He kills the poor and needy;
And in the night he's like a thief (Job 24:14).

39 If I have eaten its fruit without money, or caused its owners to lose their lives;
40 Then let thistles grow instead of wheat, and weeds instead of barley (Job 31:39-40).

These scriptures clearly support the concept that Job and his companions considered murder
to be wrong. Job 24:14 is similar to a teaching by Jesus tieing in murder and thievery together:

10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. (John 10:10).

Job knew of this connection thousands of years before Jesus stated it as recorded by John.

Commandment 7:

14 "You shall not commit adultery. (Exodus 20:14)

The Book of Job states:

15 The eye of the adulterer waits for the twilight, saying, 'No eye will see me';
and he disguises his face (Job 24:15).

1 I have made a covenant with my eyes; Why then should I look upon a young woman?
(Job 31:1).

9 "If my heart has been enticed by a woman, Or if I have lurked at my neighbor's door,
10 Then let my wife grind for another, And let others bow down over her. 11 For that would
be wickedness; Yes, it would be iniquity deserving of judgment. 12 For that would be a fire
that consumes to destruction, And would root out all my increase. (Job 31:9-12).

These scriptures clearly support the concept that Job and his companions knew adultery
was prohibited and an 'iniquity deserving of judgement.'

Commandment 8:

15 "You shall not steal. (Exodus 20:15)

The Book of Job states:

5 Is not your wickedness great, and your iniquity without end? 6 For you have taken pledges
from your brother for no reason, and stripped the naked of their clothing (Job 22:5-6).

14 And in the night he's like a thief (Job 24:14).

39 If I have eaten its fruit without money, or caused its owners to lose their lives;
40 Then let thistles grow instead of wheat, and weeds instead of barley (Job 31:39-40).

These scriptures clearly support the concept that Job and his companions
considered stealing to be wrong.

Commandment 9:

16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. (Exodus 20:16)

The Book of Job states:

28 I would never lie to your face (Job 6:28).

15:35 They conceive trouble and bring forth futility; Their womb prepares deceit.

24:25 Now if it is not so, who will prove me a liar and make my speech worth nothing?

27:4 My lips will not speak wickedness, nor my tongue utter deceit (Job 27:4).

34:6 Should I lie concerning my right? (Job 34:6).

36:4 For truly my words are not false (Job 36:4).

These scriptures clearly support the concept that Job and his companions
considered 'bearing false witness' to be wrong.

Commandment 10:

17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife,
nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything
that is your neighbor's." (Exodus 20:17)

The Book of Job states:

2 And envy slays a simple one (Job 5:2).

12 Why does your heart carry you away, and what do your eyes wink at, that you turn
your spirit against God, and let such words go out of your mouth? (Job 15:12-13).

15:1 They conceive trouble and bring forth futility (Job 15:35).

31:1 I have made a covenant with my eyes; Why then should I look upon a young woman?

9 "If my heart has been enticed by a woman, Or if I have lurked at my neighbor's door,
10 Then let my wife grind for another, And let others bow down over her. 11 For that
would be wickedness; Yes, it would be iniquity deserving of judgment. 12 For that would
be a fire that consumes to destruction, And would root out all my increase. (Job 31:9-12).

These scriptures clearly support the concept that Job and his companions considered
covetousness (or evil desire) to be wrong. Since Paul wrote, "I would not have known
sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law
had said, 'You shall not covet.' " (Rom 7:7), it is clear that the law against covetousness
must have been in effect prior to Mount Sinai.
 

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Just because we do not see it recorded , does not mean it was not known.

for example

Job 28:28 (KJV)
And unto man he [God] said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom;
and to depart from evil is understanding.

Where is it recorded that God told man this elsewhere?
 

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The Book of Job states:

13 So they sat down with him on the ground seven days and seven nights, and no
one spoke a word to him, for they saw that his grief was very great (Job 2:13).

Job 2:13 supports the concept that the week was being observed prior to Mount Sinai.
It is consistent with the two accounts in Genesis that a week was used as a period of
rejoicing (Gen 29:22,27-28) and grieving (Genesis 50:10).
That is interesting, but it does not indicate Sabbath observance.

I also believe that there are similarities between God's law on the human conscience and the law that God gave to the Israelites alone through Moses.

Romans 2:14-15
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
 

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Just because we do not see it recorded , does not mean it was not known.

for example

Job 28:28 (KJV)
And unto man he [God] said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom;
and to depart from evil is understanding.

Where is it recorded that God told man this elsewhere?
The faith chapter, Hebrews eleven lists several Patriarchs before Abraham.
It starts with Abel. Do we suppose Abel lived before Job? (yes)
Did God speak to Abel? (yes)
To whom else might God have spoken? (many before Job)
 

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I'm tempted to ask how you are accessing the internet if you truly believe this view. I'll leave that to your conscience. We disagree. I'm not going to argue the matter further. :)
I can access the Internet because the commandment to sell all we have, and give the money to the poor, was given before the cross (when the law of Moses was still in force). Now we are under the New Covenant and don't have to give away all we have.
 

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To whom else might God have spoken? (many before Job)
There is NO natural weekly cycle in nature that man can follow, or from the stars.
It is from creation week, when God placed his presence in it making it holy and known.

Below is a list of languages that indicate a seven day weekly cycle
with the seventh day as the Sabbath / Rest.

Shemitic
Hebrew Bible Yom Ha Shabbath or Day of the Sabbath
Hebrew (ancient and modern) Shabbath or Sabbath
Targum of Onkelos (Hebrew literature) Yom Shviaa or Day Seventh AND Sabbath or Sabbath
Kurdistan Jews (Targum dialect) Yoymet Shabbat Kodesh or Holy Sabbath Day
Ancient Syriac Shabbatho or Sabbath
Chaldee Syriac (Kurdistan; Urumia, Persia) Shapta or Sabbath
Samaritan (Nablas, Palestine) (use old Hebrew letters) Yoma Hasheviah
or Day the Seventh AND Shabbath or Sabbath
Babylonian (Euphrates and Tigris Valleys, Mesopotamia) Sabatu or Sabbath
Assyrian (Euphrates & Tigris Valleys, Mesopotamia) Sabatu or Sabbath
Arabic (very old names) Shiyar or Chief or Rejoicing Day
Arabic (ancient and modern; W. Asia, E, W & N Africa) Assabt or The Sabbath
Maltese (Malta) Issibt or Sabbath
Tigre (Abyssinia) Sanbat or Sabbath
Amharic (Abyssinia) Sanbat or Sabbath
Falasha (Jews of Abyssinia) Yini Sanbat or The Sabbat


Hamitic
Coptic (Egypt; a dead language for 300 years) Pi Sabbaton or The Sabbath
Orma or Galla (south of Abyssinia) Zambada or Sabbath
Tamashek or Towarek (ancient Libyan or Numidian) Ahal Essabt or The Sabbath Day
Kabyle or Berber (Ancient Numidian; N Africa) Ghas or Sabbath Day
Hausa (Central Africa) Aseebatu or The Sabbath


Japhetic
Sanscrit (India) Shanivar or Saturn-day
Hindi (India) Shumiwar or Saturn-day
Pali (India) Sanivaro or Saturn-day
Urdu or Hindustani (Islamic and Hindu, India) Shamba or Sabbath; And Sanichar or Saturn
Pashto or Afghan (Afghanistan) Khali or Unemployed day; And Shamba or Holiday, Sabbath
Pahlavi or Pahlavi-Pazand (Ancient Persian) Kevan or Saturn; And Shambid or Fragrance - The pleasantest day of the week; And Dies Sabbati or Sabbath
Persian (Persia; Modern Iran) Shambih or Holiday, Sabbath
Armenian (Armenia) Shapat or Sabbath
Kurdish (Kurdistan) Shamba or Sabbath
Brahuiky (Beluchistan) Awalihafta or First or Chief of the Seven; And Shambe or Sabbath


Tartaric
Mongolian (Sharra-Mongolian; Eastern Mongolia) Sanitear and Bemba or The Son of the Sun, Saturn
Kalmuk (Western Mongolia) Bembe Graku or Saturn Planet
Turkish (Osmanlian; Turkey) Yomessabt or Day the Sabbath
Lazen (Pashelik of Trebisond) Ssabatun or Sabbath


Monosyllabic
Chinese (Roman Catholic; earlier) Chanlitsi or Worship-day Seven
Mohammadan Chinese Saibitai or Sabbath
Annamite (Annam) Ngaythubay or Day in order Seven
Ancient Peguan (Pegu-Burma) T'pauh or (Day) Seven
Khassi (Cossyah Hills, East of Bengal) Ka sngi sait-jain or A day to wash clothes; Purification-day
Tibetan (Tibet) Za-pen pa or (Planet Seven)
Boutan (Little Tibet) Pen-pa or Eye of God=Saturn; AND Odsardunpa or Seventh Brilliant Star
Georgian (Caucasus) Shabati or Sabbath
Suanian (Caucasus)Ingouish (Caucasus) Sammtyn or Sabbath
Aware or Avar (Daghistan; Cis-Caucasus) Samat qo or Sabbath Day

Polynesian
Malayan (Sumatra) hari Sabtu or Day Sabbath
Javanese (Java) Saptoe (saptu) or Sabbath
Sunda (West Java) Saptu or Sabbath
Dayak (Borneo) Sabtu or Sabbath
Makssar (Southern Celebes and Salayer Islands) Sattu or Sabbath
Bugis (Celebes) Sattu or Sabbath
Malagassay (Madagascar) Alsabotsy or The Sabbath
Nuforian (NW New Guinea) Ras Fiek or Day Seven

African
Swahili (East Africa) Assabu or The Sabbath
Congo (West Africa) Satade or Saturday; AND Kiaosabulu or Sabbado: Sabbath
Isolated Languages?
Wolof (Sengambia, W Africa) Alere-asser or Last Day - Sabbath
Fulah (W Africa) Essibt or The Sabbath
Mandingo (South of Senegal, W Africa) Sibiti or Sabbath
Teda (Central Africa) Essebdu or The Sabbath
Bornu or Kanuri (Central Africa) Sibda or Sabbath
Fulfulde (Central Africa) Assebdu or Sabbath
Sonyal (Central Africa) Assebdu or Sabbath
Logone (Central Africa) Se-sibde or Sabbath
Wandals (Central Africa) Sidba or Sabbath
Bagrimma (Central Africa) Sibbedi or Sabbath
Maba (Central Africa) Sab. or Sabbath

Miscellaneous
Norman French (10th and 11th centuries) Seabedi, Samaday, Semadi or Sabbath Day
Ancient French (12 and 13th centuries) Samedi or Sabbath Day
D?oc. France (ancient and modern) Dissata, Dissate or Day Sabbath
Ecclesiastical Roman Sabatum
Parliamentary (British) Dies Sabbati
Basque (Spain and France) Larumbat or One Quarter (moon)
Finnish (Finland) Lauvantai or Corruptions of Icelandic Laugardagur
Estonian (Estonia) Lau-paaw or Bathday
Livonian (Baltic Russia) Puol-paava or Half Day
Lap (Laplanders, Norway) Lavardak or Corruption of Ice. Lang.
Morduin (Russia) Subbota, Suota or Sabbath
Tsheremissian (Russia) Kuks-keca or Dry-day (day without work)
Permian (Russia) Subota or Sabbath
Votiak (Russia)
Hungarian (Hungary) Szombat or Sabbath
Ostiac (Russia) Chotmetchatl or Sixth-day; AND Juolynchatl or Hinder end-day
Greek (Greece) (Sabbath)
Modern Greek (Greece) (Sabbath)
Latin (Italy) Sabbatum or Sabbath; AND Dies Saturni or Day of Saturn
Italian (Italy) Sabato or Sabbath
Spanish (Spain) Sabado or Sabbath
Portuguese (Portugal) Sabado or Sabbath
French (France) Samedi or Sabbath-day
Roman (Spain, Catalonia) Dissapte or Day-Sabbath
Wallachian (Romania or Wallachia) Sambata or Sabbath
Old High German (South Germany) Sambaztag or Sabbath's day
High German (Germany) Samstag or Sabbath's day
Icelandic (Iceland) Laugardagur or (of bath-day)
Swedish (Sweden) Lordag or Corruption of Icelandic Laugardagur
Danish (Denmark) Laverdag or Corruption of Icelandic Laugardagur
Old Slave (Bulgaria) Subbota or Sabbath
Russian (Russia) Subbota or Sabbath
Illyrian (Dalmatia, Serbia) Subota or Sabbath
New Slovenian (Illyrie in Austria) Sobota or Sabbath
Bulgarian (Bulgaria) Subbota or Sabbath
Polish (Poland) Sobota or Sabbath
Bohemian (Bohemia) Sobota or Sabbath
Lusatian (Saxony) Sobota or Sabbath
Polabic (borders of the Elbe) Subuta or Sabbath
Lithuanian (Lithuania) fubata or Sabbath
Prussian (Prussia; Germany) Sabatico or Sabbath
English Bible (England) The Seventh Day, The Sabbath
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The 7th day Sabbath was known at the time of the tower of babel.
This could not have happened if no one knew the Sabbath.
This seventh day Sabbath spread world wide at the dispersion of babel.
 

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I can access the Internet because the commandment to sell all we have, and give the money to the poor, was given before the cross (when the law of Moses was still in force). Now we are under the New Covenant and don't have to give away all we have.
Your OP begins with this statement:
"Jesus told His disciples to sell their properties and give alms..."
And the tjread title is:
"Why Do Christians Ignore some of Jesus' Teachings?"
How does this square with your quoted post above?
 

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There is NO natural weekly cycle in nature that man can follow, or from the stars.
It is from creation week, when God placed his presence in it making it holy and known.

Below is a list of languages that indicate a seven day weekly cycle
with the seventh day as the Sabbath / Rest.
That's very informative, but...
How many of those cultures keep the Sabbath?
 

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G-d knew only a few would charge themselves and keep His commandments. So He warned.....only a few would find the way. Previously I felt I did not understand His message in that wording. With more knowledge and assessment of the many who profess to be a Christian and are not....I fully understand.

The reason...folks like the easy way of doing things and avoid strict challenges. We see that in the new age religion re-interpretations of the Bible...to make it easy. That will not work.
 

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That's very informative, but...
How many of those cultures keep the Sabbath?
I do not know if any of those cultures actually keep the Sabbath, probably not.
Do you find it odd they record the 7th day Sabbath, but not honor it ?

"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:
for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan,
which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels
were cast out with him.

"And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God,
and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
 

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Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory,
and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God,
and the promises;

The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let [my name]
be named on them, [and the name] of my fathers Abraham and Isaac;
and let them grow into a multitude in [the midst of the earth].

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1 Chronicles 16:17
And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law,
and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,

Psalms 105:10
And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law,
and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

Psalms 78:5
For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel,
which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known
to their children:

Isaiah 42:24
Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord,
he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways,
neither were they obedient unto his law.

to Israel for an everlasting covenant: So you think God lied to them?
That the Sabbath command is done away with.


The new covenant God will put his Laws directly in there hearts.
 
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Jesus told His disciples to sell their properties and give alms; told them to wash (literally) one another's feet; to obey the scribes and Pharisees; perform sacrifices according to the Law; etc. Through His personal example Jesus taught us to keep the Sabbath and observe the festivals.

Jesus said: whoever breaks one of the least of the commandments and teaches people to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven.

The Lord (while He was on earth) also said that only a few will be saved and yet we all seem to ignore it. Why?
You ask extremely well and by your responses, you show that you truly are looking for truth that completes the entire picture. "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free". I'll do my best to satisfy what you ask and I don't through truth and G-d's word, then my words are just "rubbish". For everything that is true is revealed by the Word of G-d:

- Jesus in the Gospels speaks to the audience of Jews (not Gentiles) for the most part. In regard to many of the Biblical Torah Commandments, only Jews are obligated to keep and to this day, maintain the Torah. Now before anyone jumps to "oh...so you want to sacrifice animals comment", there are 613 Biblical Mitzvot and there are great details that you will clearly and only see within the Hebrew of the Text ("not one jot (yud) or tittle (stroke/nikkud - vowel point) shall pass from the Torah, UNTIL heaven and earth pass"). So for example, many mitzvot like "tithing", "sanctifying the new moon", "korban offerings/animal sacrifices" or many more, CANNOT be fulfilled because there is no Temple, no High Priest and no Priesthood.

- Now Gentiles, are NOT required or obligated to hold the Torah because the Torah was a covenant a "marriage" given between G-d and the Children of Israel at Mount Sinai. This is why the epistles of Paul (which are primarily geared towards Gentiles and unfortunately very unrighteous Jews "at that time"), argues that the "Judaizers" were wrong in pushing a Brit Milah (circumcision) on Gentiles. Now Gentiles (although not 100% stated), should follow the Noachide Laws (7 Laws G-d gave to the entire world during the time of Adam & Noah and the Laws that are a covenant between G-d and all of humanity). How do we know there are 7? You will find them even without the Oral Torah in the book of Genesis and even better if you know Hebrew and the "tenses" and words it uses at particular times. Further evidence is Acts 15:20-21 where Paul gives 3 of 7 of the Noachide Laws "to start with".

- Now, there was no "church" or Christian organization (as we classify it today) in the time of Jesus or even for 300 years until the time of Constantine and the "Catholic Church" and "Christian Doctrines". What do I mean? The Greek word for a community that is used in the NT is just "Ekklesia" which means community. A community in the time of Jesus was clearly held within a Synagogue ("Synagoga in Greek), where Jews are the "Spiritual Leaders" and they would TEACH the Law of Moshe (The written and oral Torah) because the Torah = Perfect = Life = Answers to the Entire World = Yeshua and anyone who diminishes this perfect word and states that this is not beneficial for ALL of humanity, is either ignorant, not with G-d, or just lost and needs guidance (if humble and open to truth). For example, the Torah can teach us morals, a reason for life, philosophy, creation and much more ("for nothing is new under the sun"). Still, this DOES NOT make a Gentile Obligated to the LAWS in the Torah. I agree 100%. With this in mind, Christians who are Gentiles are not obligated to the laws but both Jesus and Paul make it clear that Jews are the ones in charge with "Spirituality" and Gentiles are obligated to "physical things". Just read the Torah or Tanakh, always when Gentiles were submissive, they were welcome into the camp of Israel, but they did "PHYSICAL WORK", not making various theologies and so forth. (note: this would mean, Gentiles are NOT obligated to hold to Shabbat, but they can certainly enjoy and bask in it as best as they can, for Shabbat is a "taste of heaven" and a statement that G-d made the world).

- Finally, Oral Torah is mandatory for anyone to even remotely understand the "HOW" to complete the commandments. Example, how to "remember or honour the Shabbat"? What constitutes as stealing? (i.e. can we steal time while texting at work or stealing ones time?) How do I build a "sukkah" (booth) during Sukkot?, What part of the sun going down constitutes as the line for a "new day"? Or to put this even further, if Yeshua/Jesus was against the Torah, then why would he practice "Chanukah"/Festival of Lights (John 10:20)? Jews TODAY recite the "Haftarah"/Tanakh passage" on Shabbat and Yeshua did the same thing when reciting Isaiah. Where did Jesus and Jews know to recite "Hallel" and way "Lulav's/Palm Branches" during Sukkot? Why did Yeshua know that Circumcision is greater and permitted on Shabbat? (John 7)? You won't find ONE answer to these in the written Torah alone. These are just clues and questions to get you to understand the power of the Oral Torah andddd why Yeshua said, "Listen to those who sit in the seat of Moshe" and not "gentile leaders"...

I truly pray I made this understandable, unbiased (by providing truth and passages) and more importantly, I ASK YOU to challenge these points if you feel they are wrong, but challenge it only with the Word of G-d and not opinions or "feelings". Through this, you will elevate your understanding. For in Judaism, Judaism ENCOURAGES challenging even the highest of "authorities" in order to get to a deeper level of "truth" or understanding, because truth in relativity to humans is "finite" but REAL truth is "infinite" because G-d is INFINITE!!! :) I hope that makes sense!

G-d Bless Your Soul!
 

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G-d knew only a few would charge themselves and keep His commandments. So He warned.....only a few would find the way. Previously I felt I did not understand His message in that wording. With more knowledge and assessment of the many who profess to be a Christian and are not....I fully understand.

The reason...folks like the easy way of doing things and avoid strict challenges. We see that in the new age religion re-interpretations of the Bible...to make it easy. That will not work.
Matthew 11:29-30
Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
 

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I do not know if any of those cultures actually keep the Sabbath, probably not.
Do you find it odd they record the 7th day Sabbath, but not honor it ?

"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:
for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan,
which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels
were cast out with him.

"And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God,
and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
This may seem like semantics to you, but I don't think the Sabbath is part of "the law of God". (as quoted above)
I see a distinct difference between God's law of human conscience and "the law" God gave to the Israelites alone through Moses.
In fact, I think the presence of the Sabbath commandment in the Ten Commandments proves it is not for us non-Israelites.
 

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In fact, I think the presence of the Sabbath commandment in the Ten Commandments
proves it is not for us non-Israelites.
You do know the covenants are all to Israel, we are grafted in to them.
bible says in future, Israel shall lothe themselves for Sabbaths breaking.

The sabbath was made for man

continued God, through the Prophet Ezekiel.
Ezekiel 20:21 ..the children rebelled against me,”
“They polluted [MY Sabbaths].…”

He scattered them, in national captivity and slavery (verse 23).
“Because they had not executed MY judgments, but had despised MY statutes,
and had polluted MY Sabbaths, and their eyes were after their FATHERS’ idols”

“And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries
wherein ye are scattered…with fury poured out. And I will bring you into
the wilderness of the people [coming exodus—Jeremiah 23:7-8],

and there will I plead with you face to face” (Ezekiel 20:34-35).
“Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt,

SO will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.…
And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress
against me… and YE shall know that I am the Lord” (verses 36-38).

43 And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled;
and ye shall [lothe yourselves] in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed.

44 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have wrought with you for my name's sake,
not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel,
saith the Lord God.


Ezekiel 36

21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned
among the heathen, whither they went.Therefore say unto the house of Israel,

Thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but
for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen,
which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that
I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries,
and will bring you into your own land. 25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you,
and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will
take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27And I will put my spirit within you, and [cause you to walk] in [my statutes],
and ye[ shall] keep [my judgments], and do them.

28And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people,
and I will be your God. 29I will also save you from all your uncleannesses:

and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye
shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.

31Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good,
and [shall lothe yourselves] in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.


38As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts;
so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the Lord.

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from
one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
 

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Your OP begins with this statement:
"Jesus told His disciples to sell their properties and give alms..."
And the tjread title is:
"Why Do Christians Ignore some of Jesus' Teachings?"
How does this square with your quoted post above?
Let's first see Dino 246's post:

Dino246 said:
I'm tempted to ask how you are accessing the internet if you truly believe this view (i.e., that Jesus told us to sell everything we have and give the money to charity). I'll leave that to your conscience. We disagree. I'm not going to argue the matter further. :)

Now, my response:
I can access the Internet because the commandment to sell all we have, and give the money to the poor, was given before the cross (when the law of Moses was still in force). Now we are under the New Covenant and don't have to give away all we have.

Dino misunderstood me! I never said that Christians must give away everything they have -- I just said that Jesus, during His earthly ministry really commanded that, and we see the disciples obeying it in Acts 2:45.

Why were the disciples after the cross obeying a commandment given before the cross? Because there was a long transition period between the Old and the New Covenant. The Council at Jerusalem (that freed Christians from the need to obey the Law ) took place 18 years after the crucifixion of the Lord.

Acts 15:24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said (the judaizers wanted Christians to keep the law of Moses). 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

If I believed that SELL THAT YE HAVE AND GIVE ALMS was for today, I wouldn't be here because I would have no computer, no Internet connection, no AC power, no roof to protect the equipment, no nothing.