The Brexit Thread

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Miri

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JaumeJ said:
We need more decisive leaders, not immature name-calling types. That latter type is popping up all over the world., as though politics is being replaced with the uneducated……. Common sense and a little bit of formal education is a good start.
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I wish....what a pity when world leaders act like children.

Do you remember the good old days, when world leaders consulted
with God and did His bidding, when they consulted with God when they
did not know what to do or which way to turn. When they trusted in God.

Oops sorry Moses and David are a bit before my time too!
 
Oncefallen

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Miri said:
I’m not sure it’s the same thing? But to be honest I don’t know enough about the
way the United states was formed to make a judgement. I got the impression though
it was for Godly reasons by Godly men? Or is that wrong?

With the EU every country is a separate country with its own language, government,
culture, economy, criminal justice system, laws, religion etc.
The common market was just suppose to make trade between the countries
easier. But it’s now reached the point where countries are expected to relinquish
their rights to govern themselves. 70% of UK laws include EU legislation.
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When you look at the formation of the United States and the ideologies of it's founding fathers, the comparison between the US and the EU (as they became) is apropos.

The founding fathers of the US envisioned a union of independent states with their own constitutions, laws, etc. The US Constitution was binding on the federal government, not the states. Some of the original states actually had "official" churches whereas the federal constitution prohibited the federal government from doing so.

The binding together of the individual colonies (states) was intentionally under a weak federal government that was in place for those purposes that was easier done collectively rather than individually such as international affairs and mutual defense.

Over 200 years time and again the Federal government has expanded it's power and scope of authority so that now we have a strong federal government that dictates to the states how and when they should do everything.

In my lifetime I have become convinced that any government unless carefully monitored and kept in check by it's citizens will (by nature) continue to grow and expand in order to justify it's existence.
 
tanakh

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JaumeJ said:
We need more decisive leaders, not immature name-calling types. That latter type is popping up all over the world., as though politics is being replaced with the uneducated……. Common sense and a little bit of formal education is a good start.
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our present Government has some members that have had an education that many can only dream of. Common sense though is a ae commodity in this day and age
 
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our peace can only come from our Saviour and His words -
'Great peace have they that love Thy Law, and nothing can offend them'...
 
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Miri

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Wow interesting word.

God says this is not my first Brexit.
Interesting because there’s been a strong feeling among
evangelicals of entrapment in Europe and lack of freedom
and accountability for own actions.



 
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Miri

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Just had to post this as it’s absolutely true and I
nearly had an accident crying with laughter at the irony of it.
It will make more sense to those from the UK.
I deleted the swear word out of the link and article.

https://uokhun.uk/2019/01/07/only-our-government-would-spend-50000-to-recreate-a-traffic-jam/

Our government has been hard at work this morning spending £50,000
or more of taxpayer’s money to simulate a traffic jam of lorries in an
attempt to prove to the European Union that we are prepared for a No Deal Brexit.

Some of the scenes from Manston Airport in Kent were so shocking that
it has been reported that a number of senior Strasbourg and Brussels figures
actually bleeped themselves across The Channel.
One source even said that Jean-Claude Juncker was seen ‘weeping
frantically’ while Donald Tusk stroked his hair and whispered comforting platitudes
in his ear.
The lorry drivers were getting £550 a pop to take part in this ridiculous exercise
as well – an exercise that could have been recreated by just turning up at
the Dartford Crossing at any given time on any given day, ever.
If their goal was to turn the United Kingdom into even more of a laughing
stock than it already was, then it was probably money well spent.
You have to wonder what ‘dry run’ test will be next?
Perhaps they could hire 1000 diabetics to stand on top of the White
Cliffs and drink a load of maple syrup to make a point that we are
absolutely a-OK in terms of insulin self-sufficiency.
 
tanakh

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Instead of Dancing Queen Teresa should have sang that old song'' Halfway to Paradise'' or'' we're on our way to nowhere''
Anyway the UK public keeps hearing Radio Ga Ga from Parliament
 
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Miri

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46885828

Brexit: Theresa May's deal is voted down in historic Commons defeat

Former foreign secretary and leading Brexiteer Boris Johnson said it was a "bigger defeat than people have been expecting" - and it meant Mrs May's deal was now "dead".

But he said it gave the prime minister a "massive mandate to go back to Brussels" to negotiate a better deal, without the controversial Northern Ireland backstop.

And he said he would back Mrs May in Wednesday's confidence vote.


In her statement to MPs, Mrs May said she planned to return to the Commons next Monday with an alternative plan - if she survives the confidence vote.

She said she would explore any ideas from cross-party talks with the EU, but she remained committed to delivering on the result of the 2016 referendum.

President of the European Council, Donald Tusk, said he regretted the outcome of the vote and urged the UK government to "clarify its intentions with respect to its next steps as soon as possible".
 
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Miri

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For anyone outside the UK, basically the deal which has been under
negation for 2 years with the EU for the exit from the EU. Has been
voted against by Parliament.

Leading up to this the EU has previously said it will not alter the terms of
the deal on the table, only give clarity on them if needed.

So basically we have a no deal on the table, against an expected exit date
of March 2019. No trade deal, no economic deal, no migrant deal, no divorce
settlement with the EU, nothing.

Not sure what happens now. Presumably we will just walk away from the EU.
Unless somethings happens between now and March.

It was expected. It also shows just how entwined and entangled European
Countries are in the EU.
 
tanakh

tanakh

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Miri said:
For anyone outside the UK, basically the deal which has been under
negation for 2 years with the EU for the exit from the EU. Has been
voted against by Parliament.

Leading up to this the EU has previously said it will not alter the terms of
the deal on the table, only give clarity on them if needed.

So basically we have a no deal on the table, against an expected exit date
of March 2019. No trade deal, no economic deal, no migrant deal, no divorce
settlement with the EU, nothing.

Not sure what happens now. Presumably we will just walk away from the EU.
Unless somethings happens between now and March.

It was expected. It also shows just how entwined and entangled European
Countries are in the EU.
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tanakh

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The whole thing is in Chaos. My gut reaction is for us to walk away on 29 March but What do I know? One thing I am certain about is in stopping Jeremy Corbyn and his red army from grabbing power
 
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tanakh said:
The whole thing is in Chaos. My gut reaction is for us to walk away on 29 March but What do I know? One thing I am certain about is in stopping Jeremy Corbyn and his red army from grabbing power
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Corbyn really needs to step down and let someone else take his place. It’s because of him that we currently have a one party option.
 
Didymous

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Miri said:
Hi folks I don’t know how many are interested in Brexit, but for those who
are, or who have an opinion. I thought this thread might be useful.

To us in the UK, it’s a massive issue and also for those in the EU generally.
It’s pretty much a game changer which could have global implications long term.

So which ever way it goes for better or worse, it will be intereing to see how it
plays out.

There has been many calls for prayer about this in the UK among the churches and
as a introduction I would encourage people to pray about this that God’s will,
will be done regardless of individual opinions or divides on the matter.
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The only reason I know anything about this is because I watched a show called 'full frontal' with some blonde lady I don't know making fun of all national leaders, including some lady in the U. K.,.
 
JaumeJ

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It seem GB does not hav e a clue as to what their true goals are.....Talk about shooting yourself in the ars...
 
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Miri

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Brexit: MPs to vote on no-deal after rejecting May's plans
MPs will vote later on whether to block the UK from leaving the EU without a deal on 29 March, after again rejecting the PM's withdrawal agreement.
The deal was defeated in the Commons on Tuesday evening by 149 votes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47548498
 
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Miri

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JaumeJ said:
It seem GB does not hav e a clue as to what their true goals are.....Talk about shooting yourself in the ars...
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The problem is the border between Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland.
NI is part of the UK. SI is an independent country. Across the whole of the UK,
England, Scotland, Wales, and every part of Ireland everyone can travel around freely without
border checks passports etc. The Prime Minister and MPs and people still
want that. The EU are saying no way between NI and SI. So it’s all
about the border between NI and SI. The UK doesn’t want a hard border but the
EU is saying tough cookie. So the Prime Minister has been trying to negotiate a
deal over it.

The deal has been changed 3 times but the EU is still being very tough with little
leeway over it. The MPs have rejected the recent deal made on the table.



It’s a complicated issue it involves the whole fighting in NI and conflict many years
ago. It took years of peace talk to resolve matters now if is feared the old conflict
between NI and SI could erupt again if a hard border is set up. It’s the only thing
which is a spanner in the works.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles
 
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Miri

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I don’t know about anyone else in the UK, but as the only
remaining issue is the border between NI and SI - everything else
has been agreed on. It seems like she has done a good job.

I really can’t imagine Corbyn would have got us even this far, it
would have been utter shambles with him, he changes his mind so
often and is so non commital, he probably takes all day to decide
what to have for breakfast.

Despite what the media says I don’t think anyone else could have done
this and got us this far.
 
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