Is debating equally acceptable amongst genders?

Here is my take----
I believe that the Scripture teaches that a woman is not to fill the office of Pastor/Bishop in a church.
BUT---
Many women have great understanding of the Word and the ability to teach and that should never be not used.
My wife has had the opportunity to teach women's groups over the years and I and many other men have SIT IN and been blessed.

I agree 100%. This is not an equality issue or at least it wasn't meant to be. I just wondered if debates amongst genders, especially heated ones, cross into or preaching or teaching lines.

Deade your relationship with your with your wife shows the kind of marriage He wants from us. I definitely agree women have leadership roles.

I agree that women of valor is a beautiful God centered way I long to be. I do wonder why you think this, though.

have no doubt that the Christian females operating within their God given roles, will be rewarded greater, in the kingdom, than the men

I am so glad that I asked this here, as it was refreshing to read how many married men and men in general here have a healthy regard and respect for their sweet wifes and for women in general. From the sounds of it, the one belittling our role and place with God here was me. Ok, well thanks for your input, all of you.

Hope you can dissect my reply ^ up there ^, as I see it was VERY POORLY written.

You got there before I got back from running my errands...
I was just going to reinforce the necessity of 'balance' between genders - be it in the BDF, the CC in general, in life, work or in a relationship...
Our lord's magnificence is such that IMHO he created our genders so uniquely that striking the right balance is all part of his master plan for our ability to learn from each other in order to better ourselves - to include and not limited to spiritual growth...
I see no difference in the role of women here in the BDF or CC than elsewhere in society where a woman's perspective is valued - be it in: congress; surgery; court; business; siblings; counselors; colleagues; church etc...
My kids have been exposed to the judo community for most of their lives; where the essence of judo is all about 'Balance;' where the judo montra is 'Maximum Efficiency and Minimum Effort.'
As it pertains to our lord's magnificence IMHO his design is for males and females to strike such 'balance' in all aspects of our life's journeys on HIS earth... We are intended to challenge each other and ultimately make each other better...
Without his master design for such balanced synergy amongst our genders we would merely gravitate back to our boys and girls circles at the Junior High School dance because those circles are so darn comfortable, convenient and easy... But we would never grow, nor flourish there as a species...
Heck, balanced synergy between our sexes is essential to re-populate his earth...

Get on with it woman.

On an open forum, gender means nothing (unless someone makes it an issue). Indeed what would be best is that the genders of posters not even be revealed, so that gender becomes a non-issue.

If people wish to debate (which itself is debatable when it comes to Bible understanding), and have Scripture to back up their beliefs, they are free to do so without descending into ad hominem attacks.

As far as I am concerned 200 posts on any subject should suffice, and people should move on. At the end of that, a moderator can chime in and say that POSITION A was found to be more valid than POSITION B. We have some threads with thousands of posts going nowhere.

Yes Balance!!! . But we would never grow, nor flourish there as a species, if we didn't value one another and the strengths we bring.

I use to be such a tom boy, growing up. I use to struggle with the role of a woman. Now, I am honored and see the value of servitude and humility. We get those things from Him.


Judo seems like a tangible and wise approach to help them find self discipline and balance.

You know, I hadn't thought about that. It is an open forum and there is nothing suggesting which gender we are unless we choose to make it clear.
Hmmmm, so perhaps leading with our genders isn't important, not even relevant here, that our goal should be to lead with Him.

I love your idea of closure. However. I think anyone saying or suggesting one position was substantiated more than another, would only be welcomed by the ones who won the argument. But the opposing sides would not agree and then on and on. If that were possible, wouldn't that be nice? I just think that would start the debates all over. I mean how often do we change our positions? I have wanted to ask that, Nehemiah. I would love to know how many here have changed their minds on stuff.

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Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

1Co 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
1Co 11:12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
1Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
1Co 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy.

Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

When a person receives the Holy Spirit the kingdom of God is within them, and they are in the Lord.

Women do not have to take a back seat to men here, and keep silence, and worry about being out of line concerning debating with men, no matter how much debating goes on, for in the Lord a man and a woman are equal.

The only thing that separates a man and a woman is the flesh, the spirit and soul are the same, and when they belong to the kingdom of God the flesh does not matter for it is spiritual, and they will put off the flesh and be like the angels in heaven, which the angels have no gender, and contrary to what some people believe there is no female angels, for there is no gender among them, but they are known by masculine names for they are greater than people until they receive their glorified body, then the saints are greater than the angels, and the saints do not have any gender in heaven, which is why Jesus said they do not marry in heaven.

And who says a man will know more than a woman concerning the word of God, for He does not give the preacher more wisdom than a common pew sitter, for He gives to all who ask Him the same amount of knowledge, and wisdom in His word, and we need not that any man teach us but the Spirit will teach us when we come across the word of God, whether by someone, or reading the word of God.

When the saints come together to worship God, and hear the word of God, all the saints are on an equal level, with the exception of the preacher for they are the one in charge, and direct the service.

The preacher has the floor and in charge, and when he is done saying what he will say, and directing the service, then he will turn it over to the saints, and they can further the service by all pitching in to edify one another, for the service is better, and they learn more, and are edified more, if all the saints pitch in then being directed by one person.

The preacher is in charge, and all the rest of the saints are on an equal level for they are in the Lord, and in the Lord there is no male or female, but they are one, and on an equal level.

The Bible says in a certain place that women should keep silent in Church, but they must of had a problem in that Church of the women disrupting the service when the preacher had the floor, and in charge, but when the preacher is in charge then the men also have to be quiet.

How can women be silent in Church, for will they not sing, and praise the Lord, and give testimonies, so they must of had a problem with the women disrupting the preacher, or Paul is only stating do not interrupt the preacher.

For when the preacher gives the service over to the saints then both men and women can pitch in and edify each other.

I believe a man should take the lead when the saints come together to worship God, and hear the word of God, as per the authority structure of God concerning the Church, but everybody else is on an equal level in the congregation, and the men not above the women for they are equal in the Lord.

Here on this forum, and in the street, and in their home, and at work, they can debate with the men as if it is a man debating with a man, and even in the Church as long as they do not interrupt the preacher when he is speaking and has the floor.

Gender, smender, for that should not matter here, or anywhere else, even the Church, and women can even debate with the preacher if he wants to hear it like in his office, or a home.

How do men get more wisdom than women, that the women should always listen to men for the women cannot compare to their wisdom, when God gives everybody the same amount of knowledge, and wisdom, regardless of gender, so women might know more about certain subjects than the men, and shall they be quiet and we miss out.

To say that women should not debate with men if it gets in to a dragged out, heated debate, is like saying the men always have the greatest knowledge, and the women fail in comparison to their awesome wisdom of the word of God, so the women should shut up for what can you learn from them if they cannot attain to the great knowledge of the men.

But we know that is not true for God gives the same knowledge, and wisdom, to all people regardless of gender, and the men do not have authority above the women here, or anywhere, and only the preacher does when the congregation comes together, and only that one man, but a woman is still equal to him, but the preacher is in charge.

I do not see how it is stepping on any men's toes if the women debate with men, no matter how heated the debate gets.

what's next then? segregation in church?

maybe walking a few steps behind a male?

head completely covered? not even ankles exposed?

oh wait

we already have that in places

I don't understand the question frankly and I have enough recipes now

sorry, but this woman is made of tougher stuff and was brought up to think independently

enough men in this forum have expressed their desire for woman to put a sock in it, and claiming God says the same, that any such division should be frowned upon so that even botox could not hide the wrinkles

a little humor, but I am taken aback at the op

I just got told I was acting like ... donkey spelled with an a and 2 s's

I take that as I 'hit a nerve'

the real truth is that too many men do not like women with brains who actually know scripture

Angela gets insulted all the time

be forward and unspoken...stop the lol's (no offense) and see what happens then...and also do not advertise you are on staff

just being realistic. maybe use an alligator or something for your avatar and stop being a polite nice looking woman wanting peace with everyone

well now I've done it. sorry. not sorry. and this is not personal...just what I think is truthful.

men can be very resentful of women. and they do not know what to make of a good looking women with intelligence, education and talent and especially God given gifts

the bottom line for many men is 'put women in their place'

ok...getting off the soapbox now

Get off the female soapbox. The simple solution is to not have any indication of gender for any poster anywhere.

Thus gender is out of the picture and then you can show your brains (or your brawn).

DYou have said that pivotal word and premis……….We indeed do have our "roles" in this age, however it is imperative that all who claim to believe to keep in mind, heart and soul that when it comes to our Father's vision, there is neither male nor female.

How can we all b made in the likeness of Jesus Christ, Yeshua, come the Kingdom. As it is written we will b exactly as He, though we willnot be he. To be just as He is too wonderful to entertaine in our mere minds.

So, any who are p wise, any who understand will bear this in mind.

A godo rule for allwhen hear others, male or female, is simple,; Is the Holy Spirit bearing witness to what is being conveyed...if yes, no dispute, hear him, hear her. All blessings in Jesus Christ, Yeshua...

Amen! God's Spirit is the instigator, propagator, and originator of all that is and of HIM. For it is of a certainty that in HIM we live, move and have our being. For it is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure whether we are male or female. For if we are in Christ there is neither male nor female; we are all one in Christ.
To many's dismay this does not take man's approval by an ordination.

This is an open site and freedoms to speak your mind, feminine or masculine, are granted to all. I would rather explore scripture with a sound minded woman than a opinionated man. Women aren’t supposed to authority over men. Nobody has authority in these forums. The weak, the strong, the learned the ignorant, and both genders, all come here to enlighten and frustrate.

Thank you for your thoughts. I'm curious, is your husband involved at all in the discussions you engage on this thread? Do you consult him at all?

The above quotes taken out of you post point to the reason many woman cannot deal with debate.. You yourself spent nearly half of your post walking over egg shells knowing all to well the potential for some woman to emotionally over react...

It is laborious and stressful to need to walk on egg shells all the time around woman.. Constantly trying to defend oneself from accusations of being a misogynists and having toxic masculinity for simply stating a belief / position on a topic.. I have experienced it on the few topics here..

It is good when you are in a discussion with a woman who understands and appreciates guys who state what they believe and why they believe it without all the shallow tinsel and cotton wool speak that just clutters a post when all you want is to get to the point efficiently so you can reply back with your observations and counter thoughts..

Yeah i know there are some woman who will read this post and get all offended and upset..

Such is life..

I have a healthy regard and respect for my wife after she massages my back, rubs my feet, makes me a sammich, washes, dries, irons and then folds my clothes, runs my bath water, cooks my dinner, and then tucks me in.

It's right after this the alarm goes off...