trump is the antichrist

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RickyZ

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PennEd said:
Probably because Scripture says so. Not saying Trump is good or bad, only that he is there to accomplish the Will of God.

Romans 13 New King James Version (NKJV)
Submit to Government
13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is NO AUTHORITY except from God, and the authorities that exist are APPOINTED by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will [a]bring judgment on themselves.
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It is the will of God that none shall perish ... yet it is the prophesy of God that many, even most will perish.

We are being ruled by a succession of unrighteous leaders who are leading us to the antichrist. They are all but stepping stones.

So if one says God allows them, then God is innocent of it.

But if one says God appoints them, God becomes more complicit.

Like you not saying, just wondering.
 
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To say that trump or any other political office holder is because its God's will is foolishness.
God has for years ALLOWED this wicked nation to have the leaders it wants.
He allowed Israel to have Saul, their choice, as king. Not His choice.
People should be careful in putting the will of wicked men on God.
 
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RickyZ said:
It is the will of God that none shall perish ... yet it is the prophesy of God that many, even most will perish.

We are being ruled by a succession of unrighteous leaders who are leading us to the antichrist. They are all but stepping stones.

So if one says God allows them, then God is innocent of it.

But if one says God appoints them, God becomes more complicit.

Like you not saying, just wondering.
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Just who do you think was the Ruler of the World when Paul wrote the verses I posted?
 
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Trump is not the antichrist, for it is beneath the antichrist to be involved in competition that people do on earth, whether religious such as the Pope, or political office such as the President, or in business, or in anything where people compete.

For the antichrist believes he is above all that, and will come in with a bang and establish peace in the Middle East, and then work as a man of peace, and then claim to be God, and have a position on earth that nobody has ever had before, ruler of the world, which arms shall stand on his part, and he shall not regard any god, and will exalt himself above all that is called God, or worshipped, and will exalt himself above all people in the history of mankind, and shall have power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, when the ten horn kingdom fail at providing peace, and the world turns to the New Age Christ, and the ten horns hand their power over to him, and there is no competition for that role for he is the only one going for that position.

Also the New Age Christ, antichrist, will not claim to be a Christian, for he does not believe in any god, but evolution, and believes people can still evolve, and does not believe Jesus is Lord and Savior, but a teacher in the evolutionary process, and honors the God of forces, or the power of nature as his higher power, and will have an upbringing in the occult from youth to the rest of his life, and being prepared to be the New Age Christ.

And the antichrist will have no desire of women, for he will abide by the international law in the future that a man and a woman cannot marry for population reduction, and it is not his agenda to be married, and to date women, for all he wants to do is rule the world, and lives, and breathes it, and not nothing else.

Trump is not the antichrist, but he is still in on the plan, and it is 2 steps forward, and 1 step backwards, and 2 steps forward, but they are still making ground, and they are stalling for time until the time they are ready.
 
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MattforJesus said:
Trump is not the antichrist, for it is beneath the antichrist to be involved in competition that people do on earth, whether religious such as the Pope, or political office such as the President, or in business, or in anything where people compete.

For the antichrist believes he is above all that, and will come in with a bang and establish peace in the Middle East, and then work as a man of peace, and then claim to be God, and have a position on earth that nobody has ever had before, ruler of the world, which arms shall stand on his part, and he shall not regard any god, and will exalt himself above all that is called God, or worshipped, and will exalt himself above all people in the history of mankind, and shall have power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, when the ten horn kingdom fail at providing peace, and the world turns to the New Age Christ, and the ten horns hand their power over to him, and there is no competition for that role for he is the only one going for that position.

Also the New Age Christ, antichrist, will not claim to be a Christian, for he does not believe in any god, but evolution, and believes people can still evolve, and does not believe Jesus is Lord and Savior, but a teacher in the evolutionary process, and honors the God of forces, or the power of nature as his higher power, and will have an upbringing in the occult from youth to the rest of his life, and being prepared to be the New Age Christ.

And the antichrist will have no desire of women, for he will abide by the international law in the future that a man and a woman cannot marry for population reduction, and it is not his agenda to be married, and to date women, for all he wants to do is rule the world, and lives, and breathes it, and not nothing else.

Trump is not the antichrist, but he is still in on the plan, and it is 2 steps forward, and 1 step backwards, and 2 steps forward, but they are still making ground, and they are stalling for time until the time they are ready.
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I think the anti-Christ and false prophet will mirror image the True Christ and John the Baptist.

They will be 2nd cousins, born 6 months apart, mothers are cousins, false prophet announces arrival of anti-Christ and the anti-Christ enters the public arena at the age of 30. He only has 3 and 1/2 years, not 7.
The true Christ Yeshua/Jesus Christ fulfilled the first 3 and 1/2 years of the 7 year tribulation - the time of peace.
 
RickyZ

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Just who do you think was the Ruler of the World when Paul wrote the verses I posted?
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Oh exactly. Every leader since Noah has been yet another stepping stone.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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kaylagrl said:
Wait what?! I was told Obama was the anti-Christ!! Now I'm confused :unsure:
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They can’t make up their mind. When the next president is elected. It will be him. Even though scripture is clear. The man of sin will come from rome. (Or europe)
 
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PennEd said:
Probably because Scripture says so. Not saying Trump is good or bad, only that he is there to accomplish the Will of God.

Romans 13 New King James Version (NKJV)
Submit to Government
13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is NO AUTHORITY except from God, and the authorities that exist are APPOINTED by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will [a]bring judgment on themselves.
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Hosea 8:4
They made kings, but not through me. They set up princes, but I knew it not. With their silver and gold they made idols for their own destruction.

as a rule of thumb i would never use a teaching from Paul as a stand alone without back up from other scriptures. Paul is the one Peter says is hard to understand.
interesting that one of the reasons king james wanted a different bible was because the Geneva bible had notes for passages like Rom 13. people like james hated that Geneva bible because they loved oppressing the masses, starving the people and justify this by their divine right to rule which they knew was not supported by scripture.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
They can’t make up their mind. When the next president is elected. It will be him. Even though scripture is clear. The man of sin will come from rome. (Or europe)
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Lol It seems people don't know the Scripture! This is how people are so easily led astray. smh Hope you are doing well brother.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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kaylagrl said:
Lol It seems people don't know the Scripture! This is how people are so easily led astray. smh Hope you are doing well brother.
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Amen sis. Hope you are well also. And had a merry Chritmas!!
 
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RickyZ said:
True, but the entire world has to be in a place and shape to accept him
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I think God removing his protection from the earth due to mans sin and rebellion (like in the times of noah) will cause this to happen. As people seek for hope. Any hope. They will follow anyone who even appears to give hope.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
They can’t make up their mind. When the next president is elected. It will be him. Even though scripture is clear. The man of sin will come from rome. (Or europe)
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I disagree.
Study Micah 5.
I believe the Assyrian is the anti-Christ/man of sin and his 10 horn kingdom will be Islamic. Coming from the empire of Alexander.
Europe nor Rome has any reason nor will to attack Israel, but the Islamic nations are only in need of a leader to unite the many faction with one common goal. Destroy Israel.
With the US leaving Syria, and Iraq demanding the US withdraw, and Iran building up its forces in Syria, and Turkey attacking the Kurds, we may soon see this come to pass.
 
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SpoonJuly said:
I disagree.
Study Micah 5.
I believe the Assyrian is the anti-Christ/man of sin and his 10 horn kingdom will be Islamic. Coming from the empire of Alexander.
Europe nor Rome has any reason nor will to attack Israel, but the Islamic nations are only in need of a leader to unite the many faction with one common goal. Destroy Israel.
With the US leaving Syria, and Iraq demanding the US withdraw, and Iran building up its forces in Syria, and Turkey attacking the Kurds, we may soon see this come to pass.
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I disagree

The people of the prince who is to come (the antichrist) destroyed the city and sanctuary in 70 AD. The prince will come from rome.

Islam will not get people to follow it. Rome ( the churhc of rome) could not get the whole world to follow willingly. They had to force people to follow them. That is what Islam will have to do. They are not even a peaceful religion. They promote war to anyone who doe snot follow them. The antichrist promotes peace. And that peace and financial security is what will trick the world into following him
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I disagree

The people of the prince who is to come (the antichrist) destroyed the city and sanctuary in 70 AD. The prince will come from rome.

Islam will not get people to follow it. Rome ( the churhc of rome) could not get the whole world to follow willingly. They had to force people to follow them. That is what Islam will have to do. They are not even a peaceful religion. They promote war to anyone who doe snot follow them. The antichrist promotes peace. And that peace and financial security is what will trick the world into following him
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You read Daniel 9:26 as the PRINCE shall come while I read it as the PEOPLE of the prince shall come.
What/who (the Assyrian) is Malachi 5 speaking of?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I disagree

The people of the prince who is to come (the antichrist) destroyed the city and sanctuary in 70 AD. The prince will come from rome.

Islam will not get people to follow it. Rome ( the churhc of rome) could not get the whole world to follow willingly. They had to force people to follow them. That is what Islam will have to do. They are not even a peaceful religion. They promote war to anyone who doe snot follow them. The antichrist promotes peace. And that peace and financial security is what will trick the world into following him
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I believe your concept of the man of sin is wrong in that he promotes peace. Show mw Scripture that supports that.
He will be a man of violence from day one, forcing his will on all.
 
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SpoonJuly said:
You read Daniel 9:26 as the PRINCE shall come while I read it as the PEOPLE of the prince shall come.
What/who (the Assyrian) is Malachi 5 speaking of?
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I read it as The people of the prince who is to come, if the prince is not the one who confirms a covenant, it makes no sense to even mention the prince.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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SpoonJuly said:
I believe your concept of the man of sin is wrong in that he promotes peace. Show mw Scripture that supports that.
He will be a man of violence from day one, forcing his will on all.
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Yes he will. 3.5 years AFTER he confirms a covenant, When he commits the abomination of desolation. And as jesus said, when you see him do this, run, for their will be great tribulation such as never been before or after.

Either way, The prince who commits the abomination is not islam he comes from the people of rome.
 
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