Praying in Tongues

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GraceAndTruth

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did you forget what you posted or are you trying to redirect? here's yr post:

1 Corinthians 14:34 King James Version (KJV)

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
1 Corinthians 14:34 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.

source: Bible Gateway
YES I FORGOT, this was yesterday! I don't even remember the question.
This is a FORUM, not an inquisition.
 

RickyZ

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The whole tongues discussion is all about those few who want as a sign to confirm they have received something from the Holy Spirit and call it a sign gift.
That may be for you, but for many of us that's not at all what we are doing.
 

RickyZ

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If its not in respect to a sign to confirm something, then what?
That info has been shared with you a thousand times, and a thousand times you have looked right past it. Would a thousand and one times make it any clearer?
 

RickyZ

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1 Corinthians 14:34 King James Version (KJV)

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
1 Corinthians 14:34 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.

source: Bible Gateway
You seem awful verbose for one who is supposed to be silent ;)
 

RickyZ

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For the third time. Yes a gift.... no not a sign

What does the sign represent and to whom does it point to?
It is not a sign, but then it is!
 

GraceAndTruth

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That may be for you, but for many of us that's not at all what we are doing.
Ever ask yourself..........why you?
Other than Paul, is there another apostle who spoke in tongues?
Why not some of the great leaders God has sent us to preach His truth?

The oldest writers had heard of it, but was not a 'gift' to them
Most of the oldest writers said it had ceased

POINT: ALL the sign gifts were given to the JEWS as a sign to the Jews who expected signs and miracles as they always had, and as God had communicated with them in history.

There is no excuse for mindless babble.
AND I know of NO charismatic church that follows the these rules laid out by Paul for use of "tongues"........DO YOU?

  1. The value of tongues was in their being understood (1 Corinthians 14.6-20).
  2. Tongues were a sign for unbelievers not believers (1 Corinthians 14.21-22).
  3. Uncontrolled speaking in tongues would lead an unbeliever to conclude madmen comprised the church (1 Corinthians 14.23).
  4. No more than two or three were to speak in tongues (1 Corinthians 14.27).
  5. No one should speak in tongues unless someone was present to interpret what was said (1 Corinthians 14.28).
  6. Women were forbidden to speak in tongues (1 Corinthians 14.34).
 

GraceAndTruth

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Sign gifts were to the Jews
God has dealt with signs and miracles for the JEWS since the beginning
Sign gifts in the bible were BY Jews TO Jews
The sign gifts ceased with the last apostle (Jew by nationality) died.
Show me where a non-Jew spoke in tongues.......
 

RickyZ

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Ever ask yourself..........why you?
For the same reasons not everyone gets healing and not everyone gets wisdom et al....

1. God says He spreads His gifts around the whole body, each having their own place and function

and

2. (and I can't stress this enough...) Because I believe what God says and made myself available to Him.
 

Dino246

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Ever ask yourself..........why you?
Ever ask yourself, "Why not me?"

Most of the oldest writers said it had ceased
Most... as in a significant majority? Um, no. That has been adequately disproven already.

POINT: ALL the sign gifts were given to the JEWS as a sign to the Jews who expected signs and miracles as they always had, and as God had communicated with them in history.
Corinth isn't in Judea.

  1. The value of tongues was in their being understood (1 Corinthians 14.6-20).
  2. Tongues were a sign for unbelievers not believers (1 Corinthians 14.21-22).
  3. Uncontrolled speaking in tongues would lead an unbeliever to conclude madmen comprised the church (1 Corinthians 14.23).
  4. No more than two or three were to speak in tongues (1 Corinthians 14.27).
  5. No one should speak in tongues unless someone was present to interpret what was said (1 Corinthians 14.28).
  6. Women were forbidden to speak in tongues (1 Corinthians 14.34).
Numbers 1, 2 and 3 aren't "rules". 1 and 3 are principles. 2 is simply a statement.

Number 6 isn't in Scripture. While the context is speaking in tongues, Scripture does not actually state that women are forbidden to speak in tongues.
 

GraceAndTruth

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For the same reasons not everyone gets healing and not everyone gets wisdom et al....

1. God says He spreads His gifts around the whole body, each having their own place and function

and

2. (and I can't stress this enough...) Because I believe what God says and made myself available to Him.
Yet you "charisatics" cluster together.
It is still a gift to Jews
 

Dino246

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Cornilius was 1/2 Jewish
Evidence?

Here's mine that he wasn't (all verses from Acts 10, NIV, sourced from BibleGateway.com):

1 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment. Italy wasn't Jewish.

25-26 As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.” It is highly unlikely that a Jew would bow down to a mere man. A half-Jew would know that much.

And the trump card...

27-28 While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. 28 He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile.
 

RickyZ

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Yet you "charisatics" cluster together.
It is still a gift to Jews
And therein is the problem ... assumptions based upon no information. I am not a charismatic. I think what goes on in most of those churches today is PRECISELY why Paul wrote 1 Cor 14. Yet, unlike the cessationists who also group together, I didn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. See, along with tongues, God gifted me with discernment as well. Another gift that has apparently ceased for a lot of you.
 

GraceAndTruth

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Evidence?

Here's mine that he wasn't (all verses from Acts 10, NIV, sourced from BibleGateway.com):

1 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment. Italy wasn't Jewish.

25-26 As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.” It is highly unlikely that a Jew would bow down to a mere man. A half-Jew would know that much.

And the trump card...

27-28 While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. 28 He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile.
Cornelius was a convert.....from what to what? Judiasm to Christianity? That was what I saw, Cornelius being a man of good report among the Jews. That he converted is obvious, He became a believer in Messiah. Don't you suppose that Cornelius spoke in his native Roman tongue? I don't think either of us can hang our hats on ONE instance that is vague.
 
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Paul said that not all have the gift of speaking in tongues.

Paul said in 1.Cor. 12.30 that not all christians have the gift of speaking in tongues. I do not ignore the scripture!
yup

but he also said he desired that all would speak in tongues so I suspect the fault is not with God's favoritism
 

wolfwint

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Evidence?

Here's mine that he wasn't (all verses from Acts 10, NIV, sourced from BibleGateway.com):

1 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment. Italy wasn't Jewish.

25-26 As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.” It is highly unlikely that a Jew would bow down to a mere man. A half-Jew would know that much.

And the trump card...

27-28 While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. 28 He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile.
Well, in the case of acts 10 it was a clear sign that the gospel is also for the genties. Not more and not less.