Not By Works

You find the truth boring? You don't understand what I said?

I did not go against Jesus' own words and I properly harmonized Scripture with Scripture in order to reach the proper conclusion on doctrine. What did Jesus say in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26? Anything about works salvation? NO. *Hermeneutics.

I’ll get back with you on this post later. It’s hard for me to deliver mail and post on Christian Chat at the same time.

Well, many of the Christians at Corinth had no good works to show - in fact, they were pretty carnal. Some had even died, yet Paul called them believers.

One can be carnal, and still have somethingto show for it

Faith works, i find it hard to believe you trust someone yet never do anything they say

One can be carnal, and still have somethingto show for it

Faith works, i find it hard to believe you trust someone yet never do anything they say

One can be carnal, and still have somethingto show for it

Faith works, i find it hard to believe you trust someone yet never do anything they say

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I know we disagree on the parable of the sower, but your post is exactly why I believe the parable shows 4 possible results from the word of God in any man

A. Rejects, no conversion lost
b. Receives, converted, no fruit other than belief due to no growth spiritually
c. Receives, converted, stunted fruit due to being choked out spiritually due to the world
d. Receives, converted, much fruit due to spiritual growth

Obviously the many go the way of "a".....

I beleieve the bible bears out the above truth based upon the word "receives" in the parable and other biblical truths such as the warning in Luke, Conrintihians, etc.....

amen


i could not un-believe even if i tried my hardest....

i know in my heart who my Father is

i have heard His Word
i believe it

i have seen His works in me

there is nothing that can separate me from Him


i can't wake up and choose to believe fire is cold
or ice is hot
or that i have the power to teleport
or 2+2=3,578.12

but none of these sound as crazy as turning from the truth which i know


"we are not of them who draw back unto perdition, but of them that believe to the saving of the soul"

"they went out from us, but they were not of us for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us, but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us"

Well, one can resist doing good works for the reason I stated in the predestination thread. We still have free will, and the flesh to influence us. Only one work is actually required:

"Then they inquired, “What must we do to perform the works of God?” Jesus replied, “The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent.”

Notice they said "works" and Jesus said "work".

very interesting brother🤔

i have never considered the second soil from that perspective

i will pray on this

thank you for sharing

Hey bud, rom 4 is talking about before salvation

I know we disagree on the parable of the sower, but your post is exactly why I believe the parable shows 4 possible results from the word of God in any man

A. Rejects, no conversion lost
b. Receives, converted, no fruit other than belief due to no growth spiritually
c. Receives, converted, stunted fruit due to being choked out spiritually due to the world
d. Receives, converted, much fruit due to spiritual growth

Obviously the many go the way of "a".....

I beleieve the bible bears out the above truth based upon the word "receives" in the parable and other biblical truths such as the warning in Luke, Conrintihians, etc.....

i think we may be interpreting the word work differently

What qualifies as a work? Sometimes is is just going....Abraham believed God and it was put to his account as righteousness.....what was it that Abraham had done....this is not speaking of being "whacked" nor is it speaking of him offering Isaac....what did he do? He left his home and went looking for a city whose builder and maker is GOD while being led to the land of promise.....sometimes the "work" is just to go!

I know we disagree on the parable of the sower, but your post is exactly why I believe the parable shows 4 possible results from the word of God in any man

A. Rejects, no conversion lost
b. Receives, converted, no fruit other than belief due to no growth spiritually
c. Receives, converted, stunted fruit due to being choked out spiritually due to the world
d. Receives, converted, much fruit due to spiritual growth

Obviously the many go the way of "a".....

I beleieve the bible bears out the above truth based upon the word "receives" in the parable and other biblical truths such as the warning in Luke, Conrintihians, etc.....

Perhaps. No worries though, Bro!

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Yeah well. I'm a girl, I tend to be sensitive and boy do I get attacked on this thread!

I did answer you BTW, about 3 posts ago.
Check it out.

"However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness" (Romans 4:5)

I wanted to point out that Paul says "does" not work, not "did" not work. He is speaking in the present tense, so I think he is clearly talking about those who are already believers.