Falling back slain in the spirit?

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Nehemiah6

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Where is the foundation for that so called sign gift? Or is it a sign that confirms no faith as those who believe not the word of God prophecy ?
There is no scriptural foundation for this weird phenomenon, which may well be associated with evil spirits.

Christ and His apostles always LIFTED UP those to whom they ministered. The only ones who fell backwards were His enemies, and they fell back because they were in the presence of God.
 

Blain

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There is no scriptural foundation for this weird phenomenon, which may well be associated with evil spirits.

Christ and His apostles always LIFTED UP those to whom they ministered. The only ones who fell backwards were His enemies, and they fell back because they were in the presence of God.
If I recall Paul not only fell back but was blinded and because of this event became one of the most profound mouth pieces for God. This spiritual event is not associated with evil spirits but you are correct about one thing it is always because of being in the presence of God
 

Jackson123

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If I recall Paul not only fell back but was blinded and because of this event became one of the most profound mouth pieces for God. This spiritual event is not associated with evil spirits but you are correct about one thing it is always because of being in the presence of God
Paul was the enemy of God oN his mission to persecute Christian. He repent after God show His power.

The people that fell now are come to worship Jesus, Paul come to persecute jesus
 

Blain

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Paul was the enemy of God oN his mission to persecute Christian. He repent after God show His power.

The people that fell now are come to worship Jesus, Paul come to persecute jesus
True but the point remains that it is scriptural and is not of evil spirits that was the point I was trying to make. Besides have you ever been in the presence of God? his aura is immense it would make even the strongest man lose all their strength so it's no wonder that being slain in the spirit always coincides with being in his presence
 

Jackson123

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True but the point remains that it is scriptural and is not of evil spirits that was the point I was trying to make. Besides have you ever been in the presence of God? his aura is immense it would make even the strongest man lose all their strength so it's no wonder that being slain in the spirit always coincides with being in his presence
I do not know If slain come from God or not. I do not say not from God, I do not say It is from god either, because I do not know It. Yes I have been in the present of God, but I am not slain. It doesn't mean i judge that slain mean from the devil, but i do not see that happen in the bible where people come to worship God and slain. In the bible when people baptized with Holy spirit, there is cloven tongues like fire they not slain

Act 2

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

I never read in the bible when apostle pray every body slain.

After I wacth this link, I am more carefull

 
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obedienttogod

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John 18:5-7
They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

7 Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.(what about this)
.they went backward, and fell to the ground.


I love this portion of scripture. Most Bibles have the (He) after I AM italicized, because it emphasizes Jesus actually only said, I AM...and then they went backward before falling face to the ground.
 

Lanolin

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Why do they call it 'slain in spirit' I dont understand the 'slain' part.
I would think it would have been more what Anaias and Saphirra experienced they both fell down and 'gave up the ghost'. They died!
 

Hevosmies

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I do not know If slain come from God or not. I do not say not from God, I do not say It is from god either, because I do not know It. Yes I have been in the present of God, but I am not slain. It doesn't mean i judge that slain mean from the devil, but i do not see that happen in the bible where people come to worship God and slain. In the bible when people baptized with Holy spirit, there is cloven tongues like fire they not slain

Act 2

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

I never read in the bible when apostle pray every body slain.

After I wacth this link, I am more carefull

I agree with you bro, 100%.

This is why im also careful with this stuff. That and the fact that its a NEW PHENOMENA within the church!
 

louis

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The live-action roleplay is strong in charismatic churches. Its ridicilous.

I know of one case where the lady was faking the funk as usual, and someone DIDNT catch her, and she got hurt, tried to get money for surgery from the church and aint got none. Hilarious. Unfortunately for her, the healing prayers didnt work either.

Do I feel bad about it? Not at all, im glad its being exposed for the fraud it is. I advice everyone not to catch these liars.

This one is SPREADING like wildfire, destroying the entire continent of Africa almost. These charlatans like Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, you name it have been exposed over and over again, and poor desperate people still wait in line to be healed and have their money taken. The peer pressure is strong.
The lack of teaching/preaching/doctrine in these churches also equals to LOTS of worldliness and wickedness.

This fits in well with the coming antichrist agenda with its lack of biblical authority, liberalism and 'false signs and wonders' that we were warned of in the last days.
The role play in charismatic churches is ridiculous and fraudulent, and is performed by the devils children who do it for lucre their god.

They, upon whom the works and miracles that Christ did will be manifest, are they who totally believe on Christ, and put all their faith/reliance on Him (John 14:12). These individuals are Christ's disciples, who represent very few (the elite) of the Christian body (the church).
Unless, you hate your life (Luke 14:26), and unless you give up everything you have (Luke 14:33), you can then not be a disciple of Christ (Luke 14:26-33).
So unless you meet the criteria of a disciple of Christ, the works and miracles He did will not be manifest.

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
 
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If I recall Paul not only fell back but was blinded and because of this event became one of the most profound mouth pieces for God. This spiritual event is not associated with evil spirits but you are correct about one thing it is always because of being in the presence of God
He fell to the earth not fell back or backward. Drawing forward would be a indication. And then being convicted of the gospel. Kicking against the pricks... meaning kicking against the letter of the law that kills. It challenged or pricked his conscience informing Paul that God is greater than our conscience the seat of our imagination as in No faith that comes from hearing the word of God.
 

stonesoffire

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Amen there seems to be pattern of falling back or going backward to illustrate as a sign a person is under the fiery judgement of God .

Interestingly both Judas which you offered above to represent the new testament side of the cross with apostles as the one missing in the description of the bride of Christ along with Dan missing as those represented as gates or tribes.

Genesis 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

Jeremiah 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

Isaiah 28:13But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

1 Samuel 4:18And it came to pass, when he made mention of the ark of God, that he fell from off the seat backward by the side of the gate, and his neck brake, and he died: for he was an old man, and heavy. And he had judged Israel forty years.

Psalm 70:2Let them be ashamed and confounded that seek after my soul: let them be turned backward, and put to confusion, that desire my hurt.
Or the power that Jesus emanated....especially when He spoke there....overwhelmed them.
 
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The role play in charismatic churches is ridiculous and fraudulent, and is performed by the devils children who do it for lucre their god.

They, upon whom the works and miracles that Christ did will be manifest, are they who totally believe on Christ, and put all their faith/reliance on Him (John 14:12). These individuals are Christ's disciples, who represent very few (the elite) of the Christian body (the church).
Unless, you hate your life (Luke 14:26), and unless you give up everything you have (Luke 14:33), you can then not be a disciple of Christ (Luke 14:26-33).
So unless you meet the criteria of a disciple of Christ, the works and miracles He did will not be manifest.

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
The greater works are not greater in substance but greater in number. There is no greater work than the gospel raising the dead to new spirit life.

The Son of man was limited until he left and the unseen Holy Spirit began its work at Pentecost three thousand a greater number entered paradise in the twinkling of the eye .Before that perhaps 500 all together for that short ministry approx. 3 years
 

Dino246

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He fell to the earth not fell back or backward. Drawing forward would be a indication. And then being convicted of the gospel. Kicking against the pricks... meaning kicking against the letter of the law that kills. It challenged or pricked his conscience informing Paul that God is greater than our conscience the seat of our imagination as in No faith that comes from hearing the word of God.
Wow... let's just take a narrative passage and make up our own private interpretation based on words that simply aren't there, and call that Doctrine. What rot.

Once again Garee, who, specifically, is making claims about being "slain in the spirit" at all, or about it being a "sign gift" as you asserted in your OP?
 

Jimbone

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If I recall Paul not only fell back but was blinded and because of this event became one of the most profound mouth pieces for God. This spiritual event is not associated with evil spirits but you are correct about one thing it is always because of being in the presence of God
He fell to the earth not fell back or backward. Drawing forward would be a indication. And then being convicted of the gospel. Kicking against the pricks... meaning kicking against the letter of the law that kills. It challenged or pricked his conscience informing Paul that God is greater than our conscience the seat of our imagination as in No faith that comes from hearing the word of God.
Not only that, but to be fair when Paul fell back he was an enemy of God, then He was saved and his eyes were open. I also wanted to add, Blain what you described up there, and what charlatans are doing as a show to use God as a commodity to line their pockets with are NOT the same thing. You testifying of how you experienced God personally isn't even in the same ballpark as making these things a circus side show for profit.
 
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obedienttogod

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The role play in charismatic churches is ridiculous and fraudulent, and is performed by the devils children who do it for lucre their god.

I grew up in this environment. And for the most part, we were smaller congregations of farmers, town folks, a place where everyone knew everyone. And I can assure you, we did not have role playing going on. We knew each other way too well to know who was genuine or ever being a fake.

Now, I cannot claim what we have seen on tv in churches of 3 to 8 thousand people, where you will only knew a few members at most, they do not have professional role players. But I can assure you this much, in small congregations where people know everyone's LUGGAGE. If you are faking something, you could lose your business, your good name, everything you have worked for. Because small town people don't put up with someone not being genuinely who they are.

And when the Spirit of God flows during worship, altar call, it does not get any realer and genuine than that in a small town church atmosphere!!

I played fullback and middle linebacker in football, and had a full ride to Ohio State before breaking my leg in my final high school state championship game. Nothing could push me over/around nothing!! In my junior year of high school, I was so connected to the Spirit in this particular service, I was a literal live wire. I don't know who it was that was praying/walking around and touching those of us in worship, and I don't even remember how I ended up on the church floor. But when I awoke or came back to reality, my legs could not support me as they were just shaking, I literally crawled by pulling myself over the floor to a pew and forced myself up onto the pew. I do not know what you should properly call that, but I was connected to God like I had never been before that moment. And some how I ended up on the church floor with no ability to use my legs. If I was not overwhelmed-slain-whatever then there is no term for it. But I do know this much. The way I felt, drained like I ran a 26 mile marathon, boxed 15 rounds, whatever, NO HUMAN never had the ability TO DO THAT TO ME EVER!! It was only God who could do that to me and He did!!
 

Blain

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Ok so I apologize I seemed to have misunderstood the kind of slain in the spirit we were discussing here. I thought we were talking about it being biblical in general but if I am correct we are actually discussing the fake throwing ourselves on the ground kind right? Like when a person is apparently possessed by the holy spirit and starts seizing and shaking on the ground kind of stuff?
 
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obedienttogod

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I was not going to mention this because I did not wish to ruffle any feathers.

When I was first married, my father-n-law was a Baptist preacher. Talk about some of the sorriest and boring sermons to ever try struggling through. Finally, I told my wife, I have had enough living among the dead in Christ for a lifetime, I am going to start going to a church similar to how I was raised in (many members of my family are ministers). First thing she did was run to my father-n-law and he demanded to have a word with me. We had quite the discussion. And I told him, as a preacher, you couldn't cause the dead to ever want to live again.

Anyways, I began attending a church that my cousins husband was the pastor at. He obviously knew my upbringing and he began using me for different things because you typically can trust family to do the right thing. This irritated my wife, because God was blessing me and it meant I was never going back to her daddy's church. Eventually as time went on a revival broke out. What was thought to be a long weekend ended up a couple of weeks long.

Some time during that week, my father-n-law called me and asked if it would be ok if he and my mother-n-law attended a service, since the word spread of things happening that weren't happening in other churches. I was more than elated to welcome him and even made sure he, his wife, and my wife had the best spot on the second row (they did not want to be on the first row hahahaha).

The service was going pretty much like it had on every other night. People were following what was being preached and Amening it, or saying, preach it brother. The worship and song was electrifying. And before an altar call could ever be welcomed, a few other people, new to the revival, just walked up to the altar and began seeking God for salvation.

My cousin's husband calls me a prayer warrior and would have me pray with those who did come forward. And I did as I was doing every night of the revival (praying and expecting God to be free and do as He pleased). Eventually, after a few others made their way to the front, my cousin's husband invited everyone to the front to be a part of what he said, is about to happen. I am still laying my hand on people while praying and then I realized my father-n-law, mother-n-law, and wife were a few people away from the direction I had been going.

I remember asking God, do I pray for them? And I felt that tug I get, when I should do something, and I took that as a sign for "yes." I just figured I would lay my hand on them, pray quickly and move on. But when I reached my father-n-law, and I placed my hand upon his forehead, it was like a magnet that just stuck my hand to him. We both began sobbing. Then I heard something I never heard him do, he spoke in Tongues. He began shouting and his legs were running but just in place (no movement). When we finished praying, we hugged each other. Then he turned towards his wife, and we both laid our hands upon her. Immediately, her lips were just trembling, the tears were rolling down her cheeks like a stream, and some how simultaneously, we both said, in Jesus Name!! And it was not even a fall, it was like she went backward. And it had to have been an angel, but it appeared she was caught in midair and carefully placed to the ground (my father-n-law afterwards spoke about this at great lengths and concluded it had to be an angel).

Anyways, long story short, my father-n-law is a Pentecostal pastor today. And I absolutely love hearing him preach. Talk about waking the dead, he professes God with authority!!
 
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Anyways, long story short, my father-n-law is a Pentecostal pastor today. And I absolutely love hearing him preach. Talk about waking the dead, he professes God with authority!
I would ask what kind of authority? One that comes by a signs and wonders gospel causing wonderment as emotional excitement .Or the authority of faith, as it is written that causes a contrite humble heart.. boring to some?? Wonderful words of life to others.
 

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There is Jesus saying to the disciples He will baptize them with the Holy Spirit and fire.

And the baptism is something that happened at pentecost when the 1st local church was empowered by the Holy Spirit

Nothing about being 'slain'
Why would God empower unbelievers?