Praying in Tongues

Long story short, a girl was stopped from slicing her wrists and led to a park bench where there just happened to be a Bible left behind. And from there to a place where ministers talked to her and helped her resolve the issue. All because of knowledge and direction received in tongues prayer. How is that not to the glory of God?

No, according to them that was a limited-time offer. Exclusions apply.

Maybe you scared her with the meaningless words.
My point is, there's no connection between your tongue and what transpired, maybe if you had just spoken a meaningful language to her the results would have been the same.
How many times have we seen tongue speakers speak in tongues and pick deadly snakes only to be bitten to death?
How many times have we seen tongue speakers pray for the dead for weeks only to finally accept and bury the body?
How many times have we seen tongue speakers pray for the healing of the sick only to be disappointed?
Are you claiming to be the best of the best tongue speakers that ever walked this planet?

Do you want me to post videos here?

Wow!! What a dead faith you have!! I truly feel sorry for you. I don't know what church you attend or what Bible you read but you need to get connected to a church that believes in a Living God!! You need to get in touch with people who believe in a Living God!! Not this dead god you are believing in with no power,no life,no miracles. You need prayer for God to open your eyes. Sad,sad,sad.

I've seen them. Again, satan's intent is to make it look ridiculous so we don't join in.

Works pretty well, doesn't it?

I do believe in a living God, i don't think i need a church. I read all bible versions. I'm good the way i am.
I don't need missionary friends to tell me what's up, the bible says no.

Honestly, Noose, no one is more bothered by the dog and pony show than I am, because it leads to far too many people taking the position you have instead of seeing the truth behind it. Tongues talkers are their own worst enemies because of this.

Honestly, Noose, no one is more bothered by the dog and pony show than I am, because it leads to far too many people taking the position you have instead of seeing the truth behind it. Tongues talkers are their own worst enemies because of this.

Your testimony is not that convincing and i don't say this because i need to be convinced.
A Hindu will say they prayed to a cow and someone was convinced not to commit suicide- glory goes to the cow
An atheist says they have convinced a person not to take their own life- glory goes to nothingness
A muslim prayed to allah to heal a person and they were healed- glory goes to allah

The people who have been called by the living God who walk by faith and not by sight can not apply the above standards in death and in life/ in suffering or celebration/ in sickness or health- the glory of God should remain the same either way.

@posthuman –

The singer in the videos is using an idiogloss influenced by the language of various ethnic communities in Melbourne where she lived. An idiogloss is similar to glossolalia. Where glossolalia is random and typically can’t be repeated by the person speaking it, an idiogloss is not random; it’s purposefully ‘constructed’ (for lack of a better way of putting it). An idiogloss can be repeated and even written down; though it doesn’t appear anyone has ever transcribed her song. The fact she can perform the same song with the same ‘lyrics’ each time she sings it is a strong indicator of an idiogloss. So, it’s not glossolalia (“tongues”), but something akin to it.

As Brendan Perry (the other half of “Dead Can Dance”), states: “The lyrics are all influenced by various languages but have no syntactical meaning in any given language”.

She’s a perfect example of how a gifted singer can use the human voice to convey meaning and emotion while the lyrics themselves are completely devoid of meaning. The listener has no clue what she’s saying, but in this case, that’s exactly the point; the lyrics are irrelevant. It’s the singer’s use of her voice that carries the ‘meaning’ and emotion of the song.

zv
Well, i a living today. Of couse missionaries brought the Gospel into the world, also to Germany and USA.
But the churches today are not full of missionaries, but of members which following a job and family life. They build the base of a church. This I meant with "normal" believer.

I would not have such much difficulties to accept tonguespeaking for today, if I could see this in a christian life without connection to a charismatic ore pentecostal teaching.
But what i find today is a mixing from acts and the letter to the corithians for to build such a teaching.
And as I said before, no one taught this after the apostolic time till the pentecostal movement starts in 1900.

The Bible says forsake not the assembling of yourselves together. So you have no issue going against the Bible there. The Bible doesn't say no,you interpret it to say no. And that's very sad. You don't believe in a Living God if you don't believe He can raise the dead and heal the sick.

The glory doesn't go to God when a person is healed?!! ALL glory goes to God when a person is healed. smh People have the weirdest ideas in this forum. In 20yrs of travel in all denominations I've never seen some of the false ideas I've seen here. smh I'm hoping this means it's limited in it's reach.

thank you

i'm not sure what we're talking about.

the woman singing in this post is the closest thing i can think of to a glossolalia that may actually be genuine. she's pentecostal, though the musical group itself is some kind of broad new-age spiritualist. the song is a prayer. she sings in an unknown language.

is this tongues? who can interpret?



Acts 2 is very clearly natural, identifiable, authentic & well-known languages, not glossolalia


this doesn't seem to me to be the same thing as what modern charismatic churches call tongues. am i being asked about someone fluently speaking Mandarin who has absolutely no natural knowledge of it, or about uttering a kind of structured, ecstatic gibberish which, like an abstract painting, is open to any number of possible private interpretations, all equally valid in meaning?

the former, being genuinely miraculous, if what is said praises Him, is from God. i will not presume to limit Him.
the latter is so easy to fake and so undefined, so indistinguishable from pagan babble, that i find it very difficult to flatly accept. i know of zero documented instances of the former in the last thousand years, which is a strange bit of data in this era where nearly everyone in the western world has a recording device & translator in their pocket. i'd love to see evidence.
the latter is prolific but indefinite and i am suspicious of it for obvious reasons.

if someone can legitimately interpret this song then it would greatly help me to be able to legitimately answer your question, 7seas..

if this is tongues.
& tbh, i'd probably want to hear it being interpreted by more than one person without the two having any communication with each other, to test whether the claim of a gift of interpretation is equally genuine. there are many wolves in the church; many clever, clever wolves, and on this subject, we sheep are profoundly easy to fool. i want to distinguish between emotionalism and truth.

@ Stonesoffire –
“It reminds me of a song. Like a repeating chorus.”

Yes, what your referring to is a feature of glossolalia; namely, the repetition of syllables. The result of this is that much of the glossic string is extremely repetitive (which, by the way, can lend itself to be said to almost have the quality of a ‘song text/lyric’).

“It's source is right in the description Kavik for it is soulish. Nothing of Holy Spirit mentioned nor would it be. It's not from heaven.”

Light Language is one of many non-Christian forms of glossolalia. One of the characteristics of LL is that its speakers believe in the concept of the healing power of musical certain musical tones and as such, it’s common to hear a string of speech ‘interrupted’ or followed by an intonation of a particular note. LL is produced the same way Christian “tongues” are; it draws from the speaker’s native language (or any other language they may have had contact with).

@ CS1 –
nope, not at all. You add words to the context of tongues to fit your understanding modern tongues is not a Theological term it is secular human. FYI God is never confused.

I would have to say that it’s certain Christian groups who are trying to take something which is very tangible, easily explained, self-created, and very much worldly/physical and turn it into something spiritual based on the modern tongues experience which itself is based on a compete redefinition/understanding of the Biblical narratives (again, to fit the modern experience). It’s these groups that are twisting reality and turning modern “tongues” into something it simply is not and never was.

@posthuman –

The singer in the videos is using an idiogloss influenced by the language of various ethnic communities in Melbourne where she lived. An idiogloss is similar to glossolalia. Where glossolalia is random and typically can’t be repeated by the person speaking it, an idiogloss is not random; it’s purposefully ‘constructed’ (for lack of a better way of putting it). An idiogloss can be repeated and even written down; though it doesn’t appear anyone has ever transcribed her song. The fact she can perform the same song with the same ‘lyrics’ each time she sings it is a strong indicator of an idiogloss. So, it’s not glossolalia (“tongues”), but something akin to it.

As Brendan Perry (the other half of “Dead Can Dance”), states: “The lyrics are all influenced by various languages but have no syntactical meaning in any given language”.

She’s a perfect example of how a gifted singer can use the human voice to convey meaning and emotion while the lyrics themselves are completely devoid of meaning. The listener has no clue what she’s saying, but in this case, that’s exactly the point; the lyrics are irrelevant. It’s the singer’s use of her voice that carries the ‘meaning’ and emotion of the song.

thank you

ummm....cantara is a Scottish Celtic rock band...perhaps ask them to interpret. on their fb page there is a post about them learning to sing words phonetically. so that would wrap it up I would think