Handwriting Of Ordinances

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Noblemen

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Colossians 2:14

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

If you still follow the " handwriting of ordinances" and fall over yourself to keep the law and be a good Moses gospel expositor, then you are missing the greatest life ever to be lived.
When Jesus Christ laid His dead head on His dead shoulders, you died (all in Adam dead, right then, right now). One of the harshest and most wonderful acts of God at the same time took place.
And Christians should not take it lightly, a very high price was payed for you to espouse your message of separation.

There is no separation for the born again believer. There is shortcomings, sins of the flesh, and what not, but you will be hard pressed to find separation of the believer and Christ in you. Only in mind can they seperate you by there gospel of correction.
You are complete in Him, I thank God for His word or we would all be lost according to the popular message of separation.
What was the "handwriting of ordinances" it is the restoration of Adam, it is trying to fix up the old nature, the Adamic nature keeping it in check.
Which was glorious for that day, it was all they had to have a relationship with God. But in our day it is no longer the gospel of Moses to restore Adam but it is the age of the cross.
Church needs to quit trying to revive Adam, we are no longer tied to Adam. What is needed most of all for the believer is a renewed mind.
We have a different message, we have a new gospel not a restored gospel, it is the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ as your only life, Gal. Chapter 1.

1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)

2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.

21 Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;

22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:

23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.

24 And they glorified God in me.
 

JaumeJ

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Why do you refuse to recognize what Jesus teaches all of the law since His advent?

If the law does not conatin mercy………..don't worry about it.

If the lawbuilds to love, and if you believe Him, you will obey it for it is not a chore to obey our Father it is our due out of honoring Him…...

Learn about the law after mercy and grace from Jesus. He has invited all to do just that.

If you do not want to accept His invitation, fine, that is your touggher road, for without hearing Him the road must be pretty bad.
 

Noblemen

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Why do you refuse to recognize what Jesus teaches all of the law since His advent?

If the law does not conatin mercy………..don't worry about it.

If the lawbuilds to love, and if you believe Him, you will obey it for it is not a chore to obey our Father it is our due out of honoring Him…...

Learn about the law after mercy and grace from Jesus. He has invited all to do just that.

If you do not want to accept His invitation, fine, that is your touggher road, for without hearing Him the road must be pretty bad.
You are free to keep every law of God given and then some.
 

JaumeJ

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I have spokenof obeying the Father, and I am not simply free to do so, as you have said, it ismy due,. for He is my Father. If we are to honor our parents in this age, how much more so ae we to hoor our Father eternal?

You are free to obey all the laws you will. I obey the teaching of our Savior, Jesus Christ..
 
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If the law does not conatin mercy………..don't worry about it.
Don’t worry about it? If the law does not contain mercy it we should be VERY worried about it.

If the lawbuilds to love, and if you believe Him, you will obey it for it is not a chore to obey our Father it is our due out of honoring Him…...

Learn about the law after mercy and grace from Jesus. He has invited all to do just that.

If you do not want to accept His invitation, fine, that is your touggher road, for without hearing Him the road must be pretty bad.
Well the law does not, as paul said, whoever is under the law is cursed, because what does scripture say? Cursed is everyone who does not obey ever word.

When you want to find grace, ask, and God will show you what he really wants.
 

Noblemen

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I have spokenof obeying the Father, and I am not simply free to do so, as you have said, it ismy due,. for He is my Father. If we are to honor our parents in this age, how much more so ae we to hoor our Father eternal?

You are free to obey all the laws you will. I obey the teaching of our Savior, Jesus Christ..
You are free if the Son has set you free, choose this day
 

JaumeJ

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You are free if the Son has set you free, choose this day
I have made the good confession many times over in the forums……… You are looking for an enemy and not for family in Yeshua.
 

gb9

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I have made the good confession many times over in the forums……… You are looking for an enemy and not for family in Yeshua.
well, when you say things like " real true, mature Christians do not need to read Paul' s letters, they were for churches with problems, we can learn all we need from the gospels".

when you say not to read over half of the N.T., that is going to make some enemies.
 

Noblemen

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I have made the good confession many times over in the forums……… You are looking for an enemy and not for family in Yeshua.
How does telling you your free make an enemy, your losing me in the vernacular
 

JaumeJ

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In the sense of the dialogue you are making an acusation. Why would you need to tell someone who is in Jesus, Yeshua such. I do not presume upon you and on your soul…...
 

Lanolin

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Ok..can someone tell us what the handwriting of ordinances actually was. Specifically.

I have heard some say it was the laws of moses but not the ten commandments.
 
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Ok..can someone tell us what the handwriting of ordinances actually was. Specifically.

I have heard some say it was the laws of moses but not the ten commandments.
It says it testified against us. Those laws never testified against me as a heathen. I think it's all our sins that are blotted out.

Roger Bullard accurately summarizes how, “By forgiving our sins…God erased the record of those sins. What happened on the cross…abolished it and freed us from the grasp of the angelic beings.”[14] The record of sin has been abolished! For this we should all rise in great praise! With the record of sin nailed to Yeshua’s cross and the penalties now remitted, all people have to do is acknowledge this, confessing their sins, and asking the Lord for forgiveness and reconciliation. The Torah has not been abolished, but the capital penalties that stand over those who break it (making unredeemed sinners “under the Law”) have now been paid in full. In nailing the Torah’s condemnation to the cross of Yeshua, we can each realize the full thrust of Isaiah 43:25: “I [the Lord], even I, am the one who wipes out your transgressions for My own sake, and I will not remember your sins.”

https://messianicpublications.com/j-k-m ... the-cross/
 
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Ok..can someone tell us what the handwriting of ordinances actually was. Specifically.

I have heard some say it was the laws of moses but not the ten commandments.
Handwritting of ordinances which was against us and contrary to us

What did jesus take care of on the cross.

I think paul lets us know in gal 3, it was called the curse of the law, for cursed is the one who hangs on a tree.

Paul also quoted moses in deut, when he had given the commands (10 +) where moses made them confirm they would obey every word and whoever does not is cursed.








 

Lanolin

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Handwritting of ordinances which was against us and contrary to us

What did jesus take care of on the cross.

I think paul lets us know in gal 3, it was called the curse of the law, for cursed is the one who hangs on a tree.

Paul also quoted moses in deut, when he had given the commands (10 +) where moses made them confirm they would obey every word and whoever does not is cursed.
Hmm ok then this book I found talking about the ten commandments must be wrong, i think its an sda publication. It was saying the handwriting of the ordinances did not include the ten commandements as they were somehow separate from all the rest of the commandments 613 of them apparently.

It was saying God got Moses to handwriten them in a book and the ones He wrote in stone were meant to be forever. Well if they were meant to be forever why did the stone ones break the first time.

Galatians 3:17-19 refers to how the covenant was still stood it was just the law that came after 430 years later could not disannul it. It was added because of transgressions.

I suppose its like when you graduate from school you arent under those school rules anymore. You might still instinctively follow them but nobodys going to put you on detention if you dont because you not in school anymore!
 
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Hmm ok then this book I found talking about the ten commandments must be wrong, i think its an sda publication. It was saying the handwriting of the ordinances did not include the ten commandements as they were somehow separate from all the rest of the commandments 613 of them apparently.

It was saying God got Moses to handwriten them in a book and the ones He wrote in stone were meant to be forever. Well if they were meant to be forever why did the stone ones break the first time.

Galatians 3:17-19 refers to how the covenant was still stood it was just the law that came after 430 years later could not disannul it. It was added because of transgressions.

I suppose its like when you graduate from school you arent under those school rules anymore. You might still instinctively follow them but nobodys going to put you on detention if you dont because you not in school anymore!
They were meant to be forever, they will always have attached with them a curse for whoever does not obey them all.

The new covenant was added, because the old covenant could condemn us and it did, but it could not save us. As the author of hebrews said, the blood of bulls and goats could never remove the penalty of sin, the cross did.

Does this make sense?
 

Noblemen

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In the sense of the dialogue you are making an acusation. Why would you need to tell someone who is in Jesus, Yeshua such. I do not presume upon you and on your soul…...
I call a truce
 

Noblemen

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Great ida! God bless you!
I have a question it I may with no agenda attached just curious, are you Jewish. I ask because of your screen name and your knowledge of Jewish culture, thanks.