Praying in Tongues

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It's easy. Just keep repeating (really fast) ... I wanna buy a honda ... a honda wanna buy a ... I wanna buy a honda. ;)
If you wanna sound really anointed (at a church prayer meeting or something like that), throw in a few ... Hy .. un .. dai ..... Toy .. ota ........ Hy .. un ... Toy .. ota at the end .......... and you'll have em' jumping, rolling and running like deer being hunted by coyotes (y)
 

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He commands that someone with the gift of interpretation be present to translate.
You are mixing up Paul's comments regarding two types of "tongue" experiences:

1. Upon the initial infilling of the Holy Ghost baptism each person will speak in tongues. (Acts 2:1-4, 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6)
Paul is referring to the above. After receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost an individual has the ability to speak with God; spirit to Spirit. "Those who worship God must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. (John 4:23)

2. Spiritual gift of speaking in different tongues or interpretation of tongues for the edification of the church body. (1 Cor 12:1-11)
 
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the problem is your understanding is not what the NEW Testament says fully. Yes it does mean "sent ones " those sent and called were unique to the calling so the context of the 12 and Paul is very important.
Yes I understand there is a unique purpose for the 12 but it does not change the meaning of the word apostle For instance usages like Apostolic succession or apostolic time. The time for God sending out his prophets (apostles) will go right up till the last day. I think we could say the 12 as apostolical time period that God used some to be used as a metaphorical language in a parable . But again that would not change the meaning of the word and make it exclusively of the 12 sent ones when bringing prophecy the function of a apostle. .

When the word twelve is applied which represents the authority of God as the whole as to whatsoever is in view,. That group is used as to represent the bride of Christ as foundation walls of the new heaven Jerusalem, just as 12 tribes are used in the same way as gates to the city in respect to its residents, called Christians.

There are 27 edified as apostles in the new testament which is not the whole of all that were sent out again giving meaning to the word apostle in respect to the great commission. But those twelve as to their function is no different than if God would give a person a desire today to go out and prophesy the gospel. There are false apostles who bring false prophecy . But I consider those who are careful to bring the gospel today even on this Christian sight as Apostles. This forum has many apostles.

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

In the truest sense of the word, Abel was the first apostle sent with prophecy as a prophet , first martyr .

The word apostle is listed as a gift separately from a prophet only in so much as what one does as one sent to do, bring prophecy . The word apostle as a gift does not stand alone . He is not a sent one sent with nothing.

You replied so the context of the 12 and Paul is very important. What would Paul have to do with it as to the context of 12 ?
 

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Apostles and prophets are clearly distinguished in Scripture , Apostles are prophets sent out with the gospel as one work of faith . He sends them out with the gospel two by two, men and woman alike.
Scripture does not call prophets "apostles" and Scripture does not call apostles "prophets". Why then do you?

Abel was the first apostle. He was the first martyr who did prophesy the word of God, prophecy.
Nowhere in Scripture is Abel called an apostle.

I understand and know apostles are "sent one"s that bring prophecy .
You may "understand and know" this, but you aren't getting that understanding and knowledge from Scripture, because Scripture does not state or imply what you "know and understand". You mixed up some bits of Scripture and brought about your own confusion.

Did you care to add to the meaning of the word apostle ? How about apostolic succession ?or apostolic time , a few oral traditions ?
For at least the third time, I don't give a hoot about Catholic beliefs. It baffles me why you keep bringing them up. They are utterly irrelevant to this conversation.

The Holy Spirit uses the word apostle in the same way he uses the words tribes .
Where? What verse?
 
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You are mixing up Paul's comments regarding two types of "tongue" experiences:

1. Upon the initial infilling of the Holy Ghost baptism each person will speak in tongues. (Acts 2:1-4, 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6)
Paul is referring to the above. After receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost an individual has the ability to speak with God; spirit to Spirit. "Those who worship God must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. (John 4:23)

2. Spiritual gift of speaking in different tongues or interpretation of tongues for the edification of the church body. (1 Cor 12:1-11)
All believers speak to God who is Spirit with their new born again spirit or what you call spirit to Spirit


There is only one type of hearing God through prophecy and it is that men believe God in their heart as a unseen sign . The sign that is spoken against the Jews who refused to hear and believe prophecy is that God with stammering lips mocks those who rather follow after the oral traditions of men then hear and believe the word of God...

Jeremiah 44 gives us a good example as to why God brings as a sign, mocking them against them that have no faith. And for all of that they still refuse to hear and belief God. .Just look at Jerusalem today . From my understanding a person would be hard pressed today to find the new testament in a store and purchase it.

As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. Jeremiah 44:16-17
 

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No, I’m not. There is more to the Bible than the book of acts. We are not the early church and we are not Apostles.
The following scripture tells us where to search for the common salvation:

Jude 1
"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints."

If is our job to search the scriptures and in doing so we will locate what the early church apostles/saints instructed believers to do upon believing that Jesus was the risen Messiah. This information concerning the birth of the church is found primarily in the Book of Acts.
 
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Scripture does not call prophets "apostles" and Scripture does not call apostles "prophets". Why then do you?
What do you call one that is sent with nothing but his own person? A apostle?

Apostles are what they are, prophecy is what they are sent with its all one gift as a work of one faith (Christ's) . You could no more separate the function from the work then could you separate the body from the spirit, or faith from works. You would have one dead apostle with no gospel.
 
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Nowhere in Scripture is Abel called an apostle.
Was he sent by God?

Nowhere in Scripture is Abel called a member as a chaste virgin bride of Christ. Is he?

Nowhere in Scripture is Balaam's Ass called a prophet. Did it prophecy and restrain the madness of the false apostle Balaam?
 

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You are making my point. The Bible never says tongues is the first sign every believer will display or that they will be gifted with it. We are not to seek a baptism of the Holy Spirt.
Jesus spoke these words regarding asking for the gift of the Holy Spirit:

"If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" Luke 11:13
 
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garee said: The Holy Spirit uses the word apostle in the same way he uses the words tribes .

Dino 246 inquired...Where? What verse

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away .Revelation 21:1-4

Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb Revelation 21:11-14

Judah missing from the description in respect to apostles to represent al the saints on this side of the cross and the tribe of Dan missing to represent gates both representing those who fall backward in judgment. 13-1=12
 

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It would seem from my experience just open ones fleshly mind, make a noise and believe the things that are not there. And hope for a wonderment or emotional response according to 1 John as the lust of the flesh, pride of life that which does come by walking by sight hoping his kingdom does come by observation and not faith alone .

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Colossian 2:18
Good grief!
 

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If you wanna sound really anointed (at a church prayer meeting or something like that), throw in a few ... Hy .. un .. dai ..... Toy .. ota ........ Hy .. un ... Toy .. ota at the end .......... and you'll have em' jumping, rolling and running like deer being hunted by coyotes (y)
You don't realize the seriousness of your sin here. There may be some problems in some places but this does not describe at all when HOLY SPIRIT COMES.
 

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If you wanna sound really anointed (at a church prayer meeting or something like that), throw in a few ... Hy .. un .. dai ..... Toy .. ota ........ Hy .. un ... Toy .. ota at the end .......... and you'll have em' jumping, rolling and running like deer being hunted by coyotes (y)
mocking that is a great display of maturity.
 

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If you wanna sound really anointed (at a church prayer meeting or something like that), throw in a few ... Hy .. un .. dai ..... Toy .. ota ........ Hy .. un ... Toy .. ota at the end .......... and you'll have em' jumping, rolling and running like deer being hunted by coyotes (y)
The Word of God mentions mockers:

"But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, PRAYING IN THE HOLY GHOST,

Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

And of some have compassion, making a difference:

And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen." Jude 17-25
 
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Good grief?

Tongues is a sign against them who refuse to believe prophecy and rather seek after a sign . The sign confirms no faith. The sign seekers simply turn that upside down as if things were loosed from earth and bound in heaven .

Christ set the example in Mathew 4. He did not give over the lying thoughts that Satan was bringing to his fleshly mind as the Son of man Jesus. as that which he "did not see by faith" (hearing God) but came from the imagination of one s own heart

Experience is not the validator of the unseen spiritual things..... as it is written alone is.

Experience is the new age old age trying to move in and make.... "as it is written" without effect.

The warning in Collisions 2 applies to any experience whether its called out of the body , or near death, I had a dream, or I saw Christ here or there . We are commanded to believe not .

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, "vainly puffed up by his" fleshly mind, Collosions 2:18
 
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I don't read articles from Charisma magazine a whole lot or always agree with certain things, but I found this article while doing a related search and I think it is pretty balanced and describes a good deal of what goes on in a thread such as this one

it would benefit those who mock, to read it perhaps, if they are interested, but is probably also of interest to those who are already persuaded of the reality of the work of the Holy Spirit in their lives

The key is to find the biblical balance: "The true saints of God, who have clear heads, and pure, warm hearts, have in all generations had to walk between the two extremes of cold formality on the one side, and wild, ranting fanaticism on the other. Dead formality and the false fire of fanaticism are both Satan's counterfeits, and he does not care into which extreme the soul plunges..." (George D. Watson).

Watson masterfully describes how God's Spirit can be suppressed or misrepresented. To clarify, the Holy Spirit is not some weird, mystical force. He is part of the triune nature of God. The Bible says that the Spirit intercedes, leads, guides, teaches, and so on (cf. Romans 8:26; Acts 8:29; John 16:13). He enables and empowers us to hunger and thirst for righteousness, and to boldly live for Christ. God's Word becomes living and active in the life of the believer who is continually filled with the Holy Spirit. Charles Spurgeon adds, "What can a hammer do without the hand that grasps it, and what can we do without the Spirit of God?"

I was disheartened over a year ago when I attended a conference about the Holy Spirit in Southern California. Men I look up to were trivializing and mocking deep spiritual experiences that authors such as E.M. Bounds often write about.

E.M. Bounds, who was born in 1835, began his three-hour prayer routine at 4 a.m. To him, prayer was not a short prelude, but an empowering priority. Edward Payson, who ministered during the Second Great Awakening, was said to have worn grooves into his hardwood floor as a result of prayer. It was said of John Hyde who left for the mission field in 1892 that he would stay on his face before God until the answer came. It was not uncommon for the great Scottish preacher, John Welch, who died in 1622, to spend four to six hours in prayer. John Fletcher, one of the leaders of the Methodist movement, stained the walls of his room with the breath of his prayers until his death in 1785.

Why mock these types of experiences? Is it because most have never experienced the over-whelming power and presence of the Spirit? Should we not pursue the deeper life? After all, "When faith ceases to pray, it ceases to live" (E.M. Bounds). Would be to God that more men and women sought God with all their heart. America might actually experience revival.

By age 28, my life was filled with what the world offered, but I was empty inside. I was at a turning point. I could choose to turn fully to God and stop "playing church", or continue to reject Him. By God's grace, the prodigal came home...I repented and put my complete trust in Christ.

Although far from perfect, God radically transformed and redirected my life through the power of the Holy Spirit. He can do the same for you. Acts 1:8 identifies this experience: "You shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me ..." The power of the Holy Spirit is like dynamite that ignites a hunger for God so intense that every aspect of life is changed—we become bold not passive; stable not fanatical; and committed not wavering.

Within the months that followed, I truly experienced the infilling of the Spirit that is seen throughout the Scriptures (e.g., a transformed life resulting in a love for God and His Word). From this experience, came books, articles, speaking engagements, and ultimately, a church.

I, like many Christians, tend to be "safely" conservative when considering the power of the Holy Spirit; however, Scripture clearly supports the miraculous work of the Spirit today. I'm open but cautious. We need sound doctrine and the power of the Holy Spirit. It's possible to be "Bible taught," but not "Spirit led"—straight as a gun barrel theologically, but just as empty. The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life (cf. 2 Corinthians 3:6).

Don't get me wrong, theological and expositional teachings are essential to Christian living, but how often are theology students encouraged to fast and pray as well as study? How often are they taught brokenness and repentance in addition to translating the Greek language? How often are they taught the surrendered life? We can sometimes be more concerned about a Master's Degree than a degree from the Master.

The Holy Spirit inspired the Scriptures and empowered Jesus and the Apostles. We are desperately remiss if we fail to recognize His vital role in our lives. I agree with Leonard Ravenhill, "We need to close every church in the land for one Sunday and cease listening to a man so we can hear the groan of the Spirit which we in our lush pews have forgotten."

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I would add that I am also 'conservative' but also open and teachable to the truth but do deny some of the goings on in some movements. however, we all should pray for discernment and God personally moving and leading in our own lives
 
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he Word of God mentions mockers:

"But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Yes according to the law a outward sign against those who believe not God . With mocking (stammering) lips Christ mocks them who mock God by rather following after the oral traditions of men. Yet for all that the sign of rebellion remains against them confirming they do not believe God.

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.Wherefore tongues are "for a sign", not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14:21-22
 
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Yes according to the law a outward sign against those who believe not God . With mocking (stammering) lips Christ mocks them who mock God by rather following after the oral traditions of men. Yet for all that the sign of rebellion remains against them confirming they do not believe God.

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.Wherefore tongues are "for a sign", not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14:21-22
I've basically written you off garee, but perhaps God has not

you are doing the work of an enemy of God. I could not be more serious and right now, I would even consider if you are an actual troll who has masqueraded as a saved person.

may God have mercy on what you are doing here. you destroy or try to destroy the credible witness of those who acknowledge the Holy Spirit and you distort and twist what they post and what you do to scripture, the incredible false interpretations you post, are without doubt, the worst I have seen or heard anywhere, and that includes each and every person who is anti-tongues.

who actually moves your hand here? it is most certainly not God. I am putting you back on ignore because your posts are blasphemous in my opinion and I guess others can do the same. I do know one thing...if everyone would quit responding to you and giving you the attention you seem to crave, your impact here would fade away. that would be most desirable IMO
 

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Yes according to the law a outward sign against those who believe not God . With mocking (stammering) lips Christ mocks them who mock God by rather following after the oral traditions of men. Yet for all that the sign of rebellion remains against them confirming they do not believe God.

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.Wherefore tongues are "for a sign", not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14:21-22
Confusion is the work of the enemy Garee.

Read this slowly....thoughtfully. What is the writer conveying here in this last verse of Mark 16?

Mark 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, {the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. } Amen.

Who is confirming The Word? And how?
 

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Yes according to the law a outward sign against those who believe not God . With mocking (stammering) lips Christ mocks them who mock God by rather following after the oral traditions of men. Yet for all that the sign of rebellion remains against them confirming they do not believe God.

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.Wherefore tongues are "for a sign", not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14:21-22
No narrative needed - the scripture quoted spoke for itself:
Those who do not have the Spirit will mock those who do have the Spirit. "But ye, beloved, (HAVING THE SPIRIT) building up yourselves on your most holy faith, PRAYING IN THE HOLY GHOST, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. (Jude 17-21)