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I agree, but this raises an interesting point, or question.

That passage had always bothered me, because it sounds as if a judgment of works was being made for all humankind.
I know that's not the way it is supposed to work. And I agree with your response to the question about it. But...
what then is the purpose of this judgment of separating the sheep from the goats?
If all these folks are lost goats, how is it that some of them are saved sheep?

The parable of the Talents of Gold explain works quite well. The gold is the gift of faith entrusted to all in Jesus, and we are to take our faith and spread dthe news abroad making increse for our Master.

That's another great example. Both appear to be in conflict with the vicarious atonement.

No, they do not refute the vicarious atonement, the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus bore our punishment. What these parables are saying can be summed up with the verse 1 John 2: 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

No, they do not refute the vicarious atonement, the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus bore our punishment. What these parables are saying can be summed up with the verse 1 John 2: 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

I agree and it's not a matter of grabbing a list of commandments and forcing yourself in fear to uphold them. This is what being reborn of the Spirit is all about, but we are told by Jesus, that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. When this happens the old us is crucified with Christ and we are made ALL NEW creatures. He changes our natures, the old man that could NOT please God is put to death and you are, by His grace, made all new, the "new man", if you will, now born of the Spirit and forever changed. I agree with the OP that Jesus with lose NONE the Father gives Him, I also agree that the "they" (whoever this "they is, "they" are never named) in the OP that save salvation is somehow maintained by works, well I agree that is dead wrong, I can't recall seeing anyone make that argument before honestly.

I do however run into people that can seem to understand the concept "works are evidence of my salvation", as in a result of the salvation given to me by His grace. Be cause I am a "whole NEW creature", the things I do in His name, the things I NEVER would have done before when I was the old man in the flesh, these things are works, and God gets ALL the glory for them because of this. For those of the Spirit this is crystal clear, but I am baffled by the resistance I have run into proclaiming this truth. A bunch of "work-a-phobics" I guess. Anyway I don't think I'm far off, here are a few verses to make my point.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

Ephesians 4:24
and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.

Romans 6:6
knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;

Colossians 3:10
and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him--

2 Corinthians 3:18
But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

1 John 5:4
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.

Ephesians 2:14-16
For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.

1 John 3:9
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Ezekiel 11:19
"And I will give them one heart, and put a new spirit within them And I will take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh,

John 3:6
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

If we were made a whole new man in the Spirit of God, what was I before? Was the old man not put to death so I might be resurrected with Christ.

LOL, in short, I agree brother.

1 John 3:6- Whoever abides in Him does not (practice) sin. Whoever (practices) sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

Note- Practice/practices added due to tense of verb.

I agree and it's not a matter of grabbing a list of commandments and forcing yourself in fear to uphold them.

The power of the law is, was, its curse from the which we are set free for teh curse of the law, death, was crucified on the cross with our Lord. We are no longer bound by the law, howeer just as we would obey our parents in this age, we do all we are able and given to obey the Father in heaven.

Anyone wanting to know what to obey probably already knows, but the Holy Spirit guides us in this obedience and in the study of how we are to obey according to Jesus Christ.

That's a poor excuse for adding to God's Word. That is not what it says. One could add any word(s) they want in that case.

Such as; "Whoever abides in Him does not (think) of sin. Whoever (thinks) of sins has neither seen Him nor known Him"

There's a reason why scripture says "does not sin" and "whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him".

The .....Two.....Natures.

Paul writes in Romans the law is established by faith. I believe this is what you are making reference to. in Paul's other words. He also asks if the law then is evil, and he replied himself, "Heavens no."

The law is a lot more than what most people purport it to be, and a lot less than what Moses wrote down.
Yes! It is now on our hearts, but there are many written that come together to comprise love……….beginning with the two great laws of Love......

There is never any harm in learning the law according to Jesus Christ for we are saved only by mercy and being graced with faith. No man is sved by works but if any receive the Holy Spirit and then do nothing, and I include in nothing , nothing in heart, mind and soul, he just may lose that initial gife of faith, that gold of heaven, for the faith of the saints make up the street of gold in heaven………...

Budman, May I ask.... do you not sin? Are you pure and blameless? This is not an attack of arrows I am truly curious.

Of course I sin. No question about it!

It sounds like you are combing some references there.
I see a difference between "God's law" and "the law".
"God's law" is the law of human conscience that everyone has.
"The law" is the law that God gave to the Israelites alone through Moses.
Look at what the Apostle Paul says here. How many laws do you count here?

1 Corinthians 9:20-22
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.

There will certainly be false professors at this judgment. The ones Jesus spoke of who did "many wonderful works" in His name. The ones to whom Jesus will say "I never knew you".

A lot of those money obsessed televangelists come directly to mind. Those who make merchandise of God's people. Who claim to be "little gods" who love to say, "God told me to tell you, that if you donate "X" amount of money....."

It seems you believe there is one truth for Jews and another for those who have come through their Gate, Jesus, Yeshua.
One must study the law, God's Word in part, in order to understand which are no more and those which comprise LVOE. God is love.

I caqnnot discuss this seriously if you have not learned from Jesus Chrsit the understanding of the law under grace. Hint, we do not die........and, the guilt of any sin is no longer seen, only Jesus Christ in us.

What do you make of this?

Romans 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.