God LIED!

Our ILK???

Jesus said if you hate someone it's the same as murdering them.
Matthew 5:21-22

Do you love a group referred to as "ilk"?

Perhaps you'd like to explain to us what it means...
If you have broken one sin, you've broken them all.

I don't read in the N.T. that if we sin ONE TIME, we are lost forever.
I read that we have an advocate with the Father.
1 John 1:8-10
1 John 2:1

Mr. Budman, I am not here to disparage your beliefs. I am here to discuss how we are saved. I believe differently about it than you do. It does not mean that my ilk is trying to justify ourselves. Only Jesus will justify all of us.
The question is when will Jesus justify and sanctify us and give us our Eternal Life?

I do not believe that he gives that to us and then allows us to run in any direction, hilly nilly around the world, doing all sorts of things some good, some bad and especially really bad things, and then allow us, unrepentant to sit with him in his throne for all eternity. As the scriptures say, if we overcome this world, only then can we sit with him.

If a person says he has been saved, and then does not overcome this world and in fact rejects Jesus Christ, Christ will not give him Eternal Life. And I dare to guess, you have seen many Christians that do not display their saved condition and you would not think of them as in Jesus or a new person in Jesus. Many, many will say I am saved, but will be surprized at the end.

I am sorry that we see things differently because I know you are a man of God and read his scriptures daily, the same scriptures that I read daily. We should be able to see eye to eye, why do we not see eye to eye?

Yeah, Fran. Your ilk.

Well, Tom, I must say you have just proven that you indeed murder your brethren.

Fran, do you lie?

Yes you do. It was proven in the "Not By Works" thread. Not to mention the deception of after being banned, you snuck back in with another profile.

All liars will have their part in the lake of fire. (Revelation 21:8)

Remember?

No Tom.
I do not lie.
You'll have to prove it if you think I do.

Because I DO NOT AGREE with you, does not mean I lie.
Tom.

Calling someone "ilk" equals hate now? Oy vey!

Time to grow a thicker skin?

Fran, do you lie?

Yes you do. It was proven in the "Not By Works" thread. Not to mention the deception of after being banned, you snuck back in with another profile.

All liars will have their part in the lake of fire. (Revelation 21:8)

Remember?

Why are you calling me Tom? I have been in here under the same profile from the beginning.

Unlike you.

And anyone can go check out the "Not By Works" thread to see your deception. Dcon called you out on it numerous times.

Calling someone "ilk" equals hate now? Oy vey!

Time to grow a thicker skin?

Jesus didn't say to have a thick skin.
He said to be humble.
Matthew 5:5, 8

and you're derailing this thread....

Jesus didnt say that, but I did! The Bible does say:

Proverbs 12:16
The vexation of a fool is known at once,
but the prudent ignores an insult.

Sounds like a thicker skin in other words to me! GOTCHA!


No argument there, thats what i do! Luckily for me, I love the moderators here, good guys. They love me back, since I have NEVER been told nothing about nothing!

Huh?
Jesus didn't say to be humble??

Matthew 5:5 Jesus said:
5“Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth. "

Mathew 5:8 j Jesus said:
8“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

H, I didn't mean that you were derailing the thread for the moderators...
I meant for the sake of the O.P.

Would you like me to post your no. 83,587 from the Not By Works thread??

I know you directed this to Dcon, but for the record, I am one of those who advocate that belief in Jesus is all that is needed for salvation. Sorrow, promising to turn from sin, making Jesus "Lord", baptism, etc., are not what saves.

Belief and belief only. Just as Paul told the Philippian jailer.

And why do you single out fornication, adultery, sorcery, etc.? How about dying in the state of being a liar, gossiper, coveter, or failing to honor one's parents?

And also for the record, if a born again believer dies in a state of sin, that believer is still saved.

Because all believers sin, every....single....day.

Including you.

And THEN those reading along could decide WHO believes one could sin abundantly and still be saved....
I NEVER said we could sin...whereas YOU have. Incredible.

If you wish to have a Private Conversation, please message me and do not speak to me on an open thread.

I'll thank you to leave me in peace to post.

Then salvation isn't a gift at all.

You're just another "works for salvation" pusher I see.

The proper title being "Judaizer"

I see you left out the commands of Jesus to sell all you have and give the money to the poor, and to go out and invite the poor, lame, etc., when you have a meal. You're a "pick-n-choose" Law abider.

I don’t see how calling people names

or judging a brother/sister is helpful

It isn't a name, it's a title.



"He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it." (Titus 1:9)

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16)

"This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith." (Titus 1:13)

I see, so in your opinion calling me a judaizer for following Torah is a way to try to correct me? I peacefully respect that is your opinion, and will continue to serve my Father and Saviour as I have come to see in my studies and prayer. I appreciate that you have your thoughts and beliefs.

I also believe that believing in Christ is all one needs for salvation; it's just a matter of what believing in Christ means that is the issue.
To me believing in Christ means to believe in what Christ believed in, preached, and walked. Love God and your neighbor. Forgive. Walk in truth and humility, and various other virtues.
To believe in these virtues in your heart, is Christs Way, and the path to salvation.