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GB9, please provide quotations and post numbers where I said the following

a. Where did I say I manifest fruits of the Spirit all the time?

b. Where did I give a formula for how long it takes a Christian to bear fruit?

c. When did I ask how long it takes to bear fruit?

d. when did I set a number of how many fruits we bear

THIS CHALLENGE IS FOR YOU AND ANYONE ELSE. PROVIDE QUOTES AND POST NUMBERS for where I said the following things.
I will check back tomorrow to see if you can show up on this. And I will repeat periodically via copy and paste till you reply one way or another
 
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@ExtraEcclesiamNullaSalus you 'disagreed' with this post --- which is weird, because all it is, is a question, and how do you disagree with a question? ((whatisthisidon'teven)) -- but you didn't reply.

i was wondering if you could explain what your reaction meant; it's unclear to me.
do you disagree that i love someone whom it is impossible for me to do otherwise?
do you disagree that i should be asking whether a very common human assumption can be shown from scripture?

are you just generally offended by this post so you wanted to put a red x on it?

why does a brand-new member with 0 posts, yet savvy enough about the forum to tune their privacy settings so i can't speak to you privately, go directly to this thread & put a big red x on what is nothing more than an honest question? i don't get it. i may be an idiot sheep, but i'm smart enough to realize you're not a 'new member' -- could you just clarify for me what you're trying to communicate?

thanks :)
Do not feel bad...I got the same thing above to a simple question.......some of these people must have gained access to the computer in the office before they got their nightly doses of Thorazine..........
 

unclesilas

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I guess that is the only thing you can do isn't it, ignore what is plainly written and say it isn't in the bible:


The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you,(believers) as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

I wouldn't mind, but if you are going to respond to a post you should at least address the question asked in it
 
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DControversial- post 84,181-The same guy that lied about me by saying that I did not even know that faith was a gift now is saying that i say that prodigal sons that never come back blah blah blah....... He will have to direct quote me saying that or still be found false.........
(oh, I never said they never come back. I said you talk about prodigals that never come back)

Eternally grateful- thread God lied- post 667- God lied
So your saying you believe the prodigal was a son, stopped being a son (lost salvation) then was restored?Just asking for confirmation, again, if the son died in a prodigal state, would he have been his fathers son, or cast out to eternal darkness?
DControversial response 664-That is exactly what some of these people believe and peddle.............I would love to see an actual example of that.............a son by birth will always be a son by birth......it is idiotic to think that my son which was born my son can ever NOT be my son........idiotic.....
 

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WOW!! I am almost speachless!
Today, As I pondered your positions on scriptures that we have discussed I knew if you were honest, you would have to say YES

I honestly pray God open your eyes

Love must have a choice. If love doesn't have a choice it can't be called love.
The same way you can't force a woman to love you and marry you. If you did it couldn't be called love

God will not force us to love Him. We chose have to love him

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Matthew 22:37‭-‬40 KJV


If ye love me, keep my commandments. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
John 14:15‭, ‬21‭-‬24 KJV


Can't you see the forest for the trees ? ? ? He said, IF YOU LOVE ME, is only true about some one who is BORN AGAIN, because ONLY the one who has the HOLY SPIRIT INSIDE THEM, can LOVE LIKE THAT. Then after you have the HOLY SPIRIT in you, THEN and only THEN can YOU TRULY LOVE GOD with Agape LOVE. Most of us on this thread BELIEVE we can and WILL KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS OUT OF LOVE FOR HIM, and it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION; however, it has everything to do with GOD's LOVE that HE POURED IN US, Rom. 5:5. And when we stumble we confess it as SIN.

WHY!

Read em and WEEP!

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
 

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Can't you see the forest for the trees ? ? ? He said, IF YOU LOVE ME, is only true about some one who is BORN AGAIN, because ONLY the one who has the HOLY SPIRIT INSIDE THEM, can LOVE LIKE THAT. Then after you have the HOLY SPIRIT in you, THEN and only THEN can YOU TRULY LOVE GOD with Agape LOVE. Most of us on this thread BELIEVE we can and WILL KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS OUT OF LOVE FOR HIM, and it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION; however It has everything to do with GOD's LOVE that HE POURED IN US, Rom. 5:5. And when we stumble we confess it as SIN.

WHY!

Read em and WEEP!

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
You know the Holy Spirit enters the life of every believer at the point of conversion? Only he said it could take years before you truly love God
 
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I guess that is the only thing you can do isn't it, ignore what is plainly written and say it isn't in the bible:


The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you,(believers) as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

I wouldn't mind, but if you are going to respond to a post you should at least address the question asked in it
The bolded above = nothing pal.......the warning is not for the loss of salvation......wake up......chastening and loss of reward and or fellowship......

and let me tell you.....stupid games like the bolded above.......to be frank is idiotic and something a 7th grader would do......akin to...I am not gonna be your friend on the playground anymore....

and we can just as easily say the same thing about your view if we were 14.....
 

unclesilas

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The bolded above = nothing pal.......the warning is not for the loss of salvation......wake up......chastening and loss of reward and or fellowship......

and let me tell you.....stupid games like the bolded above.......to be frank is idiotic and something a 7th grader would do......akin to...I am not gonna be your friend on the playground anymore....

and we can just as easily say the same thing about your view if we were 14.....
The warning was being barred from the kingdom of Heaven, as was plainly written. I guess it is easy for you people, just ignore huge chunks of scripture, pretend they do not exist and keep saying you are correct and know the truth
 
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You know the Holy Spirit enters the life of every believer at the point of conversion? Only he said it could take years before you truly love God
Let the love of God be perfected in you <---what does this mean........you must be one of these super duper Christians..........we know your kind......

I bet you wear a suit and tie every service and thank God how righteous you are right?

Have you every passed on the Lord's supper because you felt unworthy because of your lifestyle?
 
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The LAW condemns everyone.........end of story.....no matter how righteous one may seem there are NONE that keep the law 24/7/365 their whole life and exactly why the whole world becomes guilty with mouths shut.....the law as a school aster points to the only CURE of our fallen sinful disease.....

JESUS and HIS righteousness being imputed by faith WITHOUT the deeds/works of the law which ETERNALLY justifies us before CHRIST having been BORN again by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED by the IRREVOCABLE gift of faith, salvation and eternal LIFE......

AFTER one has been born again they are dealt with as CHILDREN and rewarded for faithful SERVICE or WHIPPED for disobedience.....HE does NOT forsake us and or LEAVE US and this was written to the SAVED, IMMERSED church members.....WHERE SIN abounds, GRACE abounds the MORE..........

THE ONLY SIN that is not covered is the sin of unbelief into the work of CHRIST by blasphemy of the Spirit <---THE pharisees were attributing the work of Christ by the power of the Holy SPIRIT to the power of the devil <---this is a state of UNBELIEF and ONE that will not believe into the work of CHRIST, they CANNOT be forgiven....

JESUS said....WHERE I am going YOU CANNOT COME because YOU DO NOT BELIEVE I AM HE...........

Regardless of those that reject this truth the following is true...

a. OUR spirit has been born again from above by incorruptible seed and DOES NOT SIN <--1st JOHN
b. IT is still housed in a FALLEN dead body of SIN that is not subject unto the word of GOD, neither indeed can BE <--Romans
c. THE BATTLE ground for control is the MIND which is subject unto the TRANSFORMATIONAL process described in Romans 12

The bible is clear on these truths........the more a man is transformed inwardly the BETTER and MORE godly he lives outwardly..the opposite is equally true!

SIN in a believer BREAKS fellowship, but does NOT lead to the loss of salvation....it also leads to chastisement and the loss of reward.....the bible clearly teaches these truths........

GOD ONLY WHIPS CHILDREN and ONLY FOR DISOBEDIENCE AND SIN
would that cover , i thinking i speak for god, because i read my bible ,
only humans put jesus on the cross, the dates speak for them selfs, they are still looking for his skeleton ,
even the word resurrection needs a meaning, to get to a better understanding to what took place in the gospels.
 

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Let the love of God be perfected in you <---what does this mean........you must be one of these super duper Christians..........we know your kind......

I bet you wear a suit and tie every service and thank God how righteous you are right?

Have you every passed on the Lord's supper because you felt unworthy because of your lifestyle?
Your words say much about you
 
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The warning was being barred from the kingdom of Heaven, as was plainly written. I guess it is easy for you people, just ignore huge chunks of scripture, pretend they do not exist and keep saying you are correct and know the truth
Yep...sure was........to the LOST.................there is that 7th grade playground game again........for YOU PEOPLE>....that is kinda racist isn't it....
 

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what was Lazarus' response?
he was dead, and he became alive - not by his own willpower.
What if Lazarus had said "nah sorry, not feeling like living again. My family was something else, being dead is the best thing to ever happen to me"
 

calibob

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Galatians 5:1-5 New International Version (NIV)
Freedom in Christ
5 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.


2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope.
 
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Let the love of God be perfected in you <---what does this mean........you must be one of these super duper Christians..........we know your kind......

I bet you wear a suit and tie every service and thank God how righteous you are right?

Have you every passed on the Lord's supper because you felt unworthy because of your lifestyle?
Shifting the goalposts from loving God to perfected. You don't have to be perfected to bear fruit.
 
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Let the love of God be perfected in you <---what does this mean........you must be one of these super duper Christians..........we know your kind......

I bet you wear a suit and tie every service and thank God how righteous you are right?

Have you every passed on the Lord's supper because you felt unworthy because of your lifestyle?
No such thing as super duper Christians. Just Christians.