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eternally-gratefull

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32 “Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Luke 12
So question

Do you believe salvation can be lost? Or do you believe eternal life is eternal?
 

PennEd

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I just reviewd it, it does say he becomes unfruitful, it does not say if it had roots or not, so it could say they crashed, but they would still be sons and daughters correct?

I think there are going to a LOT of people at the Judgement seat of Christ, The one ALL Christians will be on, who witness a HUGE bonfire of their vanities:

1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is JESUS CHRIST. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; BUT HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, YET SO THROUGH FIRE.

So ALL saved have Jesus. He is our solid foundation. We MUST build on Him, and not the sandy foundation of OUR works.

BUT, many aren't going to get rewards. That may seem like small consequence NOW, but I can assure you, that through eternity, we will be like Oscar Schindler at the end of the movie. DEEEEPLY regretting NOT using our gifts and resources that the Lord has given us to bring others to Him, as well as other works we should have done.

I think those 3rd soil people are those that literally have NOTHING given them at the judgement seat. They are going to watch all the wasted time, energy and resorces they sunk into TRASH, crap, garbage, vain pursuits and such burn into nothingness, BUT they themselves are still saved.

Remember, some of us are going to be Kings and Priests. Well who exactly are we going to Kings and Priests over?
 

stonesoffire

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I planted seed on one of the large rocks in our yard, wanting the flowers to go down over the sides of the rock. The seed did sprout but they were tiny roots. I didn't have enough soil for one thing, and the Florida heat was ahead of me in keeping it moist. They did have flowers but didn't last. Never did what I desired.

And as far as the parable...I can say that each one of the examples was my life until that one day....when I became His without reservation.
 
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Stop arguing with me UG.

All I want is for you to read
Luke 8:13, which I've posted twice already...
and explain what Jesus is saying.

why won't you do this?
They accept the word but without truly having Christ or the spirit, they are the branches who, like many today with that damned "sinners prayer" want to conjure belief without divine imputation. They say they believe and they state with their lips but to confess with the mouth is a proclamation directly from the spirit of Truth, not a statement in hopes to receive mercy from eternal damnation. Kind of like an addict telling himself he's going to quit tomorrow. I'm probably confusing you...sorry
 
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eternally-gratefull

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They accept the word but without truly having Christ or the spirit, they are the branches who, like many today with that damned "sinners prayer" want to conjure belief without divine imputation. They say they believe and they state with their lips but to confess with the mouth is a proclamation directly from the spirit of Truth, not a statement in hopes to receive mercy from eternal damnation. Kind of like an addict telling himself he's going to quit tomorrow. I'm probably confusing you...sorry
Confess with the mouth and believe in your heart
Sinners prayer and faith

Seems both are prety important. Why would it be a “damned”thing?
 

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I thought about how I could work for my salvation, keeping my salvation this morning and just could not come up with anything permanent. Praise God my salvation is from the gift of love God offered me and the Seal of the HS once I accepted. There is no other but God Almighty and His Son Jesus the Christ.
 

Argueless

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...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:3-6
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You said they would not enter in; anyone knows you are referring to hell.
The bible says that those who die in unbelief will not get to heaven
Amen, a non believer (a heretic by defenition) will not go to heaven

A believer who choses to believe the wrong view of end times prophesy (also by definition a heretic) will still go to heaven
That is one type of heresy sis, there are many types.

So my answer would be yes and no

Yes, a non believer, or anyone who teaches a different gospel will go to hell
I see now, yes i agree with you, anyone who trusts in a false gospel (a different gospel) according to gal 1 will not enter in. Amen sis.
Anyone who has paid attention knows i multiple times said they would not enter heaven

Now everyone knows you are a deciever.
 

Argueless

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BOTH!

The saved will exist forever have eternal life!
...All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have already attained. Philippians 3:12-16

...So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven. I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain. 1 Corinthians 15:42-58