Not By Works

So if love comes because of said salvation and hope comes because of said salvation...
Are you saved if you do NOT have love and hope?

This would mean that salvation DOES require love and hope.

All 3 are necessary.
Read your statement again....

Your kinda a joke. EVERYONE who disagrees with you is immature! That's a good deal ya got going there.

What question? And I just showed you Jesus was God long before His Baptism.

WHERE was my behavior deplorable?

What IS the proof that you're saved?

Callling people names?

Feeling hate toward your brother Christians?

Feeling you could sin all you want to and still be saved?

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? 1 John 5:3-5



What happens when whatever comes our way is persecution, and we are tempted to renounce Christ and depart from Him to ease our suffering or save our natural life?



He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Revelation 21:7-8



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He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. Revelation 3:5






JPT

In their flesh, they fully can't. Which is why a Christian's destiny is determined by the new nature in Christ.



Read Romans 8.



We have been made righteous (Romans 5:1). We don't have a righteousness of our own via the flesh. Our prayers are effective due to our new nature.



I'll answer that question with a question: Is all sin, past, present, and future, already completely forgiven?

In their flesh, they fully can't. Which is why a Christian's destiny is determined by the new nature in Christ.



Read Romans 8.



We have been made righteous (Romans 5:1). We don't have a righteousness of our own via the flesh. Our prayers are effective due to our new nature.



I'll answer that question with a question: Is all sin, past, present, and future, already completely forgiven?

So in your view John was a hypocrite, as he said behaviour shows we know God or we do not.

But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
1 John 2:5-6

So if we do not walk as Jesus did, we do not know God.

I hope you see John is showing there is an impossible to break link between knowing God and behaviour.

You can not take his yoke unless your saved first,
Your trying to put the cart before the horse, shame shame

Last time I checked our sin was nailed to the cross and the righteousness of Christ imputed by faith to our account.....

When you were banned from here and deceitfully came back under a different moniker comes directly to mind.

Everyone keeps saying that about @GodsGrace101 but are we SURE its TRUE?

Is it true @GodsGrace101 ? Tell us. I want to hear it from you directly before I jump to conclusions!

@GodsGrace101 you said that since Jesus put conditions on salvation its not a gift but a prize in the end.

Well, WHY does the bible say free gift in Romans 6:23?
And Romans 5:15-18, Ephesians 2:8-9 make the point too!

Because she takes the words of Paul out of context.......simple.....

Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:15 KJV

I guess though if you are a brother hating murdering "Christian" you still have eternal life. According to the OSAS

Did John sin at all after his conversion?
How many times do you sin a day? When you are sinning, are you walking as Jesus did?
Ever read Romans 7: 15-25?
Notice he speaks of his behavior in the present tense.
Does that mean Paul was actually lost?

That's exactly right.

I do think it's really important to know the difference between OSAS, Eternal Security and Perseverance of the Saints.

There's no way OSAS is biblical and we've all proved it many times over.
Those who want to hear will hear.

Did John sin at all after his conversion?
How many times do you sin a day? When you are sinning, are you walking as Jesus did?
Ever read Romans 7: 15-25?
Notice he speaks of his behavior in the present tense.
Does that mean Paul was actually lost?

As far as me knowing sins or stumbling, this is rare.

Why are you so fascinated with failure and not victory?

If one only believes that we face a failed future and empty aspirations, I am not surprised one can end up cynical and defeated.

if we are not pressing on towards the goal we probably no longer
believe in the goal, no matter how much we protest. And that often can mean we actually no
longer believe and have gone cold.

Doesn't matter how rare it is - a single sin attributed to you will damn you.
I'm not "fascinated" by it - I'm simply pointing out hypocrisy
The victory has already been won, and it is complete. Christians cannot lose their salvation based upon their behavior - period.
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