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FollowHisSteps

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If you believe this, why did you bring it up?
Am a nurse...I know about the disease.
I have compassion my friend for people and am called to share His word.
Does it concern you I have been called
"his sugar coated flowery sweet counterfeit gospel"

When things go from serious into farce, you go to laugh.
Maybe it is the medication, maybe just here is a target, boom. :LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:
 

stonesoffire

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I have compassion my friend for people and am called to share His word.
Does it concern you I have been called
"his sugar coated flowery sweet counterfeit gospel"

When things go from serious into farce, you go to laugh.
Maybe it is the medication, maybe just here is a target, boom. :LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:
When I read your posts...I picture a man who is lecturing no one...lofty words of self worship! Not knowing he isn't being heard. Sorry to say too.
 

FollowHisSteps

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PeterJens, you have no humility and anyone who follows in your steps is doomed, never have I seen a counterfeit gospel so deceptive than yours.
Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
TT - I know you are saying I have a counterfeit gospel, but I doubt you have the knowledge of what it is.

What are the different types of grace taught within this theology?
I suspect you just like picking targets and just letting fly. Please prove me wrong.

Which school of theology do you follow? School of anything goes ......? :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
 

FollowHisSteps

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When I read your posts...I picture a man who is lecturing no one...lofty words of self worship! Not knowing he isn't being heard. Sorry to say too.
Thank you for the complement. I am creating lofty words.
Why are you reading what I am writing?
I am concerned that the idea of sharing, has been called by you lecturing.

Self worship. This is a concept I have heard before. It is a label put on certain people
to say, that is self worship, those people are self worshippers.
This type of thinking is anyone who recognising God has done a work in them.
But if you make Gods work in peoples lives something to hide and be ashamed of one
is actually ashamed of the God who is doing the work. Listen to Paul

Therefore, among God's churches we boast about your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring.
All this is evidence that God's judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering.
2 Thess 1:4-5

Put simply this language is totally alien to your traditions or thought processes.
But I would rather follow Jesus and listen to Pauls encouragement to follow his
example. So let us boast about the brothers and sisters here who faithfully witness
to the great work the Lord has done in their lives, Amen
 

FollowHisSteps

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PeterJens, you have no humility and anyone who follows in your steps is doomed, never have I seen a counterfeit gospel so deceptive than yours.
Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Hi TT,

I think you maybe projecting on to me too much.
Please read the theology of the Nazarene church and then comment.
Beyond that it is actually a waste of your time. I am concerned for you and your situation,
and wonder why you desire to label people and then condemn them believing this has value.

Now if you want to present a different gospel to me than I am describing, go ahead.
Please do the job of an evangelist. Are you capable? I do not want to ask something you cannot
deliver though.
 

PennEd

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Hi Penn,

Interesting you go to a Nazarene church. I do not like this media and forums, because it makes people
jump to the wrong conclusions. I am not a sinless perfectionist, but I do believe in the walk and where
we are headed.

There are people who deny any walk or value in such a thing, to any degree, and will say and do anything
to create a wrong impression of others.

In a culture where morality and purity are being destroyed, establishing in Christ we have a heart to be
like Him, is important, foundational. I was struck that faith in Him for change is what all believers actually
believe because we are so sick of how we are and we literally want to be different.

It seems though to articulate this has been turned into "evil". Some have said the enemy has been largely to
blame for this, and they might be right. So brother, hello, God bless you.
On the interesting side, every time I find people and we share a blessing in the Lord, it has gone in some
way back to a Nazarene church. I have never been to such a place, but it probably is more my home than
anywhere.
I think you kinda have to understand the history of not just this thread, but these boards in general. Battalions of people have come here, and continue to come here, preaching all sorts of different Gospels. So most of us are highly sensitive to any hint of that.

We have had a number of them that were banned, only to come back through deception under different names. After reading a couple of your posts I thought you may have been one of them. He preached a RELENTLESS sinless perfection doctrine, yet couldn't see the sin he was committing merely by lying and setting up a different account. I apologize for that.

So for my part, welcome to CC and truly believe almost all here are good, decent brothers and sisters in the Lord that truly have a zeal, and are not ashamed of the ONE true Gospel.

I made a thread a while back titled "Is there anybody out there?" The reason for it was to show that aside from the very essentials of Christianity, there isn't a single person who believes EVERYTHING exactly as I do relative to the Bible.

So I'd encourage us all to sprinkle our posts with Grace and Love.
 

FollowHisSteps

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PeterJens, you have no humility and anyone who follows in your steps is doomed, never have I seen a counterfeit gospel so deceptive than yours.
Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
If someone is whispering in your ear something someone has not said or written or believed
this is not from them.

I have the impression, when I talked about being yoked to Jesus, an individual started adding
words to the text to say I was doing something different than others. It was so strange. It was
like if I said anything, a voice in their mind added other things. It is a kind of insanity, because
then nothing comes as it is, it is actually changed as the person reads, hears or sees it.

Is this extra voice a spirit of some sort, or their mind making sense of a world, or just their
way of coping? It is though true self deception. So I worry about people who cannot be
specific or factual and must resort to feelings and condemnations. Scripture is very straight forward
and published theology there to comment on so we know the foundations upon which we stand.
 

FollowHisSteps

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I think you kinda have to understand the history of not just this thread, but these boards in general. Battalions of people have come here, and continue to come here, preaching all sorts of different Gospels. So most of us are highly sensitive to any hint of that.

We have had a number of them that were banned, only to come back through deception under different names. After reading a couple of your posts I thought you may have been one of them. He preached a RELENTLESS sinless perfection doctrine, yet couldn't see the sin he was committing merely by lying and setting up a different account. I apologize for that.

So for my part, welcome to CC and truly believe almost all here are good, decent brothers and sisters in the Lord that truly have a zeal, and are not ashamed of the ONE true Gospel.

I made a thread a while back titled "Is there anybody out there?" The reason for it was to show that aside from the very essentials of Christianity, there isn't a single person who believes EVERYTHING exactly as I do relative to the Bible.

So I'd encourage us all to sprinkle our posts with Grace and Love.
Thank you for the apology. I am not sure I understand, but confusions happen.
I always walk in optimism and faith,
God bless you
 

BillG

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Reading this is proof im not even saved and have been self-deceived!

Which one of the fruits do I exhibit?

Just look at the stuff I write on this forum, nothing but slander critique and negativity most of the time! I'll mix it up with some positivity occasionally, but OUT OF THE ABUDANCE OF THE HEART the mouth speaks (or types in this case!)

I got an evil heart thats full of hatred for people I deem faulty someway, WHILE being absolutely messed up myself. HYPOCRITE. Just look what I did previously when followhissteps posted that hillsong praise song. I looked at it, I thought in my mind "wow, these guys are soft and effeminate looking". Then I remembered all the weird stuff they do in Hillsong churches and I had to just type something negative, I COULDNT HELP MYSELF. I just had to insult them. Then after I do that i'll pray the Lord to bless them and tell Him im sorry, ONLY TO DO IT AGAIN like the rotten dog I am!

Lord help me
Don't put yourself down like that.
There are many on here who are willing to do that.

You are not saved by your fruit.
You are saved by your faith that will produce fruit.

As Jesus said "By their fruit"

The fact that you realise that you were wrong, then prayed for blessing on them and confessed and asked for help not to do it again is a good sign.
It shows that the Holy Spirit has convicted you of behaviour that is not consistent with not your calling in Jesus.

If it helps I would suggest before you hit the reply button maybe read before you do.
Ask the Holy Spirit "Would Jesus say this?

It's better not to post if unsure.
Because words spoken/written cannot be taken back.
We all need to realise that the tongue is very powerful.
It has the power to bring life and death.
 

FollowHisSteps

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PeterJens, you have no humility and anyone who follows in your steps is doomed, never have I seen a counterfeit gospel so deceptive than yours.
Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Imagine if I said to every believer the above sentiments.
Would anyone understand what was being said?
1st person, they must know them, and it makes sense.
2nd person, bit odd, nothing really connects them
3rd person, the speaker has some issues, they just know how to put an attack together.

Over years people grow up and hone their skills. They get so good, everyone thinks it is spiritual insight.
But actually it is just they know how to feel for certain weaknesses and then drive in a knife.

The techniques work as long as the victim does not know how to ignore it and ask for something deeper.
Get a whole small group of guys like this, God help whoever they pick on.

And a media like this, four sentences, vulnerability, a bit jokey, looking for nice social interaction, primary
target 101.

So practising grace and knowing peoples theology helps. And on a discussion forum, to discuss points,
and think the best about everyone, it really works.
 
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Well @VCO and @stonesoffire have responded .....what say you??

I be waiting......

I will also be waiting to find out why you twisted what I wrote???

I wrote this....

I guess instead of falling at His feet you prefer to stand up right beside Him!!!

and you changed it to this



and if you and Mr. IFollowToBePerfect understood we are transformed into His image meant , you would understand that we do not become little Jesus, or little divine beings.

When speaking about "image" "likeness" the idea is we mirror His beauty, not us becoming Him.

We are the mirrors, and in us men see the beauty of the Lord.

Capisci???
Hahahhah that was funny.....and true at the same time
 

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maybe bitterness to him

I cannot be bitter about a broken vessel incapable of believing Jesus brings us to Him as Paul describes

May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The one who calls you is faithful and he will do it.
1 Thess 5:23-24

Which is your Lord and master, He who has done a good work in you to completion or the man
who doubts the Lord can change anyone or is interested in change, repentance and the people of the Kingdom?
I did in fact mildly curse a driver ahead of me today. I also repented. But I forgot to repent for a similar incident yesterday. What is to befall me?
 
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Not one of these passages of scripture above teach that we are saved BY works. Good works are the fruit, by product and demonstrative evidence of authentic faith in Christ, but not the essence of faith and not the means of our salvation.

*In regards to James 2:14-26, which seems to be the main passage of scripture that works-salvationists use to try and support salvation by works, see post #808 from the link below:

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...saved-always-saved.136509/page-41#post3374477
Amen bro........faith plus works to gain, keep or finish = hell to pay.....the books of Galatians, Romans, John all make this clear......false gospels do not save regardless of how saturated they appear to be with Christ.......
 

FollowHisSteps

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I did in fact mildly curse a driver ahead of me today. I also repented. But I forgot to repent for a similar incident yesterday. What is to befall me?
What are you repenting of? Where is the problem and why are you repenting?
 
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But you have assumed that the LORD will take TT before any of us , how can you assume such thing...Can you please explain this , it comes across as if you are on par with God Almighty...
No one has the right to presume such things , we are warned about being presumptuous in the bible , this is not your place to say such thing...xox...
I agree.........not very nice or biblical....!!
 

TruthTalk

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FollowHisSteps aka, PeterJens, you have returned to Christianchat.com illegally. The conversation we are having right now is identical to the ones we had prior to your bannishment.

You are likely as all sinners do, "to justifying your sin", of breaking the forum bylaws and returning here illegally. What you say on this forum means nothing until you take your medicine confess your sin and repent for breaking the forum bylaws.
 
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Babbling nonsense from you....


My brother in Christ you are assuming will die sooner than anyone else here is known by God and doesn't need the toxic garbage you spew....

He trusts in his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to justify him....

you however seem to trust yourself
Has he been reported for this......good thing I am not a mod......that goes beyond acceptable in my book!
 

FollowHisSteps

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FollowHisSteps aka, PeterJens, you have returned to Christianchat.com illegally. The conversation we are having right now is identical to the ones we had prior to your bannishment.

You are likely as all sinners do, "to justifying your sin", of breaking the forum bylaws and returning here illegally. What you say on this forum means nothing until you take your medicine confess your sin and repent for breaking the forum bylaws.
TT :) God bless you, what is your gospel? Maybe you hate the Nazarene church. Do not be shy,
no one is going to be shocked. It is a holiness church.

Making your position clear, makes sense :)