Can people be a Christian and a Karaite Jew simultaneously?

What's sad Grandpa, is people only take from this verse, that which they want. Ignoring the first part.
Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

When one simply refuses to enter into the Government of the Kingdom? Or, gets turned around after trying?
It's like the clay saying to the Potter forming it? "I am formed well enough, for ME!" "But, but wait!" Says the Potter. "I'm not even near done with you yet!" "There's more "Word of God", I can instill in you." "Oh yes!" Comes the reply from the vessel. "You are!" "Alright." Says the potter reluctantly. "Come back when you are ready?" Asks the Potter. "Ubetcha!" Says the vessel.
And just like an illegal alien being released to return for his asylum hearing? Never seen again!
As the vessel runs hither and thither seeking out other "partly formed" vessels, of similar mindsets/attitudes.
Welcome to "traditions of man!"

I don't see how you can separate God into parts for God is one. God is love and law is love in action. Faith, God, love, acting in response to God are all of one piece. If you take out one you wreck the whole. You will just have to go ahead and shake your judging finger at me with a legalist label, but I fundamentally believe in learning all I can about the glorious God who created us and do my best to keep my life in harmony with that God. You call that legalistic law. I call it simply living, for God gave us life and is our all.

As it is explained in the first chapter of Isaiah, Christ does not work for our salvation and Lord when we use what Christ did for us improperly. Isaiah is speaking of the salvation we have in Christ. The proper use of Christ is explained in Isaiah 1:16 "Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil." It goes on to explain that we will then be washed clean as snow.

Christ is for forgiveness of all our sin, and through Him we are pure and righteous. We can't make ourselves pure and righteous. But without our "work"!!! to turn away from sin, (you call that legalistic law) there is no forgiveness. Isaiah 1: 15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

If you think the sacrificial system is about animals, you simply can not speak of it for you are speaking of something that isn't there. It is the same with your "under the law". If you are speaking of not being under the law as not needing to live for Christ, it is so foreign a meaning that it is speaking of something that isn't there. If you are speaking of being "under the law" as using the law for salvation, then we can argue about it because we would be arguing about the same thing.

That verse says the government shall be upon His Shoulder.

Not ours.

I think this might be where your misunderstanding begins.

Ok, let's go back to the verses I posted,what do they mean to you. When you speak of the "law" what do you mean? The thread is about being a Jew and a Christian. The law to a Jew means something different than to a Christian. OT law is not the same in the NT. Can we get on the same page with the same definitions. Maybe that will help.

This only points out had differently we understand. The only difference as far as what God says about law to Jew and gentile is that the Jew takes acting on the law with more seriousness than the gentile because he is saved through his prayers and living for the Lord to replace the sacrificial system that was in place before the destruction of the temple. We do this through Christ.

I cannot believe that God changes. Scripture tells us over and over that God doesn't. It tells us in Acts 17:11 Now the Bereans were more noble-minded than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if these teachings were true. It was Paul's teaching they were testing with OT scripture.

If law, or anything in scripture, changed by the division of scripture that man has made of OT and NT then it would not be true that God is eternal. We could not depend on a God who did not stay true to His word.

Some years ago I felt that God did not stay true to His word because of Paul's writing against law and OT writing of the wonders of law. It reduced me to tears, and thank goodness I was retired when this thought came to me. I spend months of many hours a day studying to resolve this to myself. I used any information I could get my hands on including college textbooks on ancient history. I found that God is true, my understanding was false.

So would you consider yourself saved by grace or by works?

Rom 7- But now we have been are released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

I would offer as Christians we given the understanding that we have passed from death to newness of spirit life from when we first heard the living word and believed the Holy Spirit of faith . (The un-seen law of faith). Therefore free from the penalty that bind us but not the work of the law it is doubled edged. It works to kill and preserve. It hems us in like a mighty fortress keeping out the enemies .We are not leased fr0m its comfort.

Romans 3:26-28 King James Version (KJV)To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Two laws working together in perfect harmony to one another. (1) The written law scripture or prophecy and (2) the unseen spiritual law, the law of faith they came together as one perfect at the cross. The time of reformation had come

Again, two laws working together in perfect harmony to create one perfect law .I think it is what David was describing below. Not just the letter that kills acting as a moral guide but the spirit of the law that protects us from the accuser of the Christians accusing them falsely day and night day and night .

Psalm 19:6-8 King James Version (KJV) The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

If it is true what God tells us about Himself then God is God of the Jew, first, and the 'stranger among you'. That would include all gentiles. 2 Tim. 3:16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, Timothy would not agree with your "not ours" statement.

Also, Isaiah the first chapter is not about the government being on the shoulders of Christ, it is speaking of salvation through Christ. The topic you speak of comes later in Isaiah.

So would you consider yourself saved by grace or by works?

Hey there, I’ve been noticing your profile picture and hopefully you will pardon me, but I thought it was a picture of a possum, till I looked a little closer. I like possums so please don’t be offended.

What a degrading question to ask anyone who tells you they believe in what scripture tells them. Like asking if I consider myself as holy as God.

If you feel free to ask me that, when scripture tells me it is only God who gives salvation, may I ask you if you can ask forgiveness for a sin you do not repent of?

That verse says the government shall be upon His Shoulder.

Not ours.

I think this might be where your misunderstanding begins.

What a degrading question to ask anyone who tells you they believe in what scripture tells them. Like asking if I consider myself as holy as God.

If you feel free to ask me that, when scripture tells me it is only God who gives salvation, may I ask you if you can ask forgiveness for a sin you do not repent of?

So would you consider yourself saved by grace or by works?

You 2? Are actually arguing apples and oranges!

One is arguing saved by mercy and grace through faith, IN CHRIST

The other is arguing being a Joint Heir, WITH CHRIST! (not in)

Romans 8
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs WITH Christ (through Christ. NOT IN); if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

Apples=saved.
Oranges= Inheriting.

If you obey law by asking forgiveness of s sin while you are thinking about what to have for dinner you are acting out something but not going by the spirit of what you ask. So could you say that it is wrong to ask for forgiveness because it can be done legalistically?

We are justified by God's grace, not by what we do. So can we take our clean and pure self that Christ has made pure and willfully put ourselves through the same sin? We haven't actually asked for forgiveness in the first place because we plan on keeping on with that sin. In that case God says He will not hear us.

I am not sure just what your post is saying. Am I understanding it correctly?

No, we're on a whole different plane. If the OP believes what I posted Karaite Jews believe. Not even in the same ball park. It seems somehow the OP is trying to mix that cult with some form of Christianity,therefore the confusion. Now I know where he is coming from and why he is arguing as he does.

I'm not sure what Timothy would agree to. But scripture absolutely agrees with what I said. And with 2 Timothy 3:16

1 Timothy 1:5-10
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;