Did Jesus die for the sins of all mankind?

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stonesoffire

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I believe that He died for the sin of all the world, and that includes animals. The reason why I think this, is because only the animals under the age of three were used for sacrifice. After three yrs of age, the beast nature of killing living animals for food begins. Blood thirsty.

I saw this about the age of three many years ago through Word studies.

Plus all creation is groaning under the weight of sin, awaiting the manifested Sons. A mystery? Another topic. ;)
 
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Guojing

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Is this about limited atonement?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Iconoclast said:
He did die for unbelief. H e did not die for every person
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Um no he did not

He who does not believe is condemned already.

If you do not repent and come to faith, You will die eternally.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Iconoclast said:
This is a falsehood Roman's 3:23...all sinned
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John 3:18
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

So John was wrong?

Rom 3 says all have sinned, I agree All have sinned, But not sure why you think that proves my quote of what John said is in error
 
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This is kind of a difficult question.

Everyone here, pretty much, has limited the Atonement in some way. Except maybe Stonesoffire.

Some don't know they do it and no matter how much you explain to them what they are doing they don't get it.

The Lord Jesus Himself limits His Own Atonement here;

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

If the Lord Jesus died for ALL the sins of the Whole World without exception then there is nothing to be condemned of.

So obviously, since the Lord said it, it is true and the Lord Jesus died for the sins of those who believe.


The Atonement is for Believers only and unbelievers are excluded and condemned still.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
John 3:18
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

So John was wrong?

Rom 3 says all have sinned, I agree All have sinned, But not sure why you think that proves my quote of what John said is in error
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The way you put it it makes it SEEM as though the Atonement is not quite good enough to cover ALL sins. Only most sins are covered by the Atonement.

But it is kind of a weird loophole when I think about it.

Its much easier on my brain to just say the Atonement is limited to Believers.
 
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Grandpa said:
The way you put it it makes it SEEM as though the Atonement is not quite good enough to cover ALL sins. Only most sins are covered by the Atonement.

But it is kind of a weird loophole when I think about it.

Its much easier on my brain to just say the Atonement is limited to Believers.
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Not sure why you see this..

Atonement covers all sins

He who believes is not condemned (atonement covers them)
He who does not believe is condemned already (atonement covers their personal sins, (All sins will be forgiven men) But in unbelief, they will die).

God will not force anyone to take his gift. It would be against his character.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Grandpa said:
This is kind of a difficult question.

Everyone here, pretty much, has limited the Atonement in some way. Except maybe Stonesoffire.

Some don't know they do it and no matter how much you explain to them what they are doing they don't get it.

The Lord Jesus Himself limits His Own Atonement here;

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

If the Lord Jesus died for ALL the sins of the Whole World without exception then there is nothing to be condemned of.

So obviously, since the Lord said it, it is true and the Lord Jesus died for the sins of those who believe.


The Atonement is for Believers only and unbelievers are excluded and condemned still.
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Look at th highlighted text. This is why they are condemned

Jesus died for all sin, But he did not die for the sin of unbelief.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Not sure why you see this..

Atonement covers all sins

He who believes is not condemned (atonement covers them)
He who does not believe is condemned already (atonement covers their personal sins, (All sins will be forgiven men) But in unbelief, they will die).

God will not force anyone to take his gift. It would be against his character.
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Yes. That's why it makes much more sense to say the Atonement is Limited to Believers only.

Unbelievers are NOT Atoned for because they are condemned to die.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Look at th highlighted text. This is why they are condemned

Jesus died for all sin, But he did not die for the sin of unbelief.
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That's not all sin.

All sin is all sin.

If unbelief is not included then it is not all sin.

But the sin of unbelief IS included in the Atonement.

If the person later comes to Christ and becomes a believer that sin of unbelief IS Atoned For.

Therefore the Atonement is Limited to Believers and the Atonement covers ALL SINS.
 
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We're saying the same things. We're just saying them in different ways.

Your way of saying it doesn't line up with the way I understand the bible.

I'm sure the way I say it doesn't line up with your understanding...


But ultimately I would say we are in agreement on this subject. We just say it differently because of other beliefs we have.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Grandpa said:
That's not all sin.

All sin is all sin.

If unbelief is not included then it is not all sin.

But the sin of unbelief IS included in the Atonement.

If the person later comes to Christ and becomes a believer that sin of unbelief IS Atoned For.

Therefore the Atonement is Limited to Believers and the Atonement covers ALL SINS.
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again, Jesus said whoever is in a state of unebleiuve has always been in state of condemnation (this would include all)

Whoever repents and comes to faith, Has passed to a state of not being condemned

People who go to hell will go because they did have faith in God. Not because because they broke the ten commandments.

 
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Grandpa said:
Yes. That's why it makes much more sense to say the Atonement is Limited to Believers only.

Unbelievers are NOT Atoned for because they are condemned to die.
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That would not be true though.

Because atonementis offered to all. Just because a person did not recieve it, does not mean it was not there for them to take.
 
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Grandpa said:
We're saying the same things. We're just saying them in different ways.

Your way of saying it doesn't line up with the way I understand the bible.

I'm sure the way I say it doesn't line up with your understanding...


But ultimately I would say we are in agreement on this subject. We just say it differently because of other beliefs we have.
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I just try to say what I see the bible say bro

While I agree. In the end our view that only believes will recieve atonement, which is why I hate even discussing this with you for fear you may be offended. (I consider you my brother) I just have to say what I see.

Gods son died for the world

He said all sin will be forgoven all men (but one)

He said all who repent and come to faith will pass from condemned to non condemned

As john said in his gospel. To as many as have RECIEVED HIM to THEM he gave the right to become children of God. Even to those who believe.
 
stonesoffire

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Grandpa said:
Yes. That's why it makes much more sense to say the Atonement is Limited to Believers only.

Unbelievers are NOT Atoned for because they are condemned to die.
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No, I disagree. Unbelievers are atoned for buts it's of no value to them if they die in unbelief. We must be born from above to enter Gods Presence. Only Jesus gives us entrance.

Only unbelief is that sin of blasphemy. Unless there are those who are wicked of a nature that cannot be atoned for. And that's another topic too.
 
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stonesoffire said:
No, I disagree. Unbelievers are atoned for buts it's of no value to them if they die in unbelief. We must be born from above to enter Gods Presence. Only Jesus gives us entrance.

Only unbelief is that sin of blasphemy. Unless there are those who are wicked of a nature that cannot be atoned for. And that's another topic too.
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You trying to open a can?? :p
 
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LeeLoving said:
Would it be accurate to say that Jesus died for the sins of all mankind?
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HE made It possible for ANYone who believes In the WORD of GOD to be saved by Grace through faith whereas before JESUS atoned for the sins of the world man would have had to be perfectly righteous which Is GODs standard with his own strength and would have come short of the glory of GOD.
 
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LeeLoving said:
Would it be accurate to say that Jesus died for the sins of all mankind?
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Yes that be accurate.

For God so loved the world, that whoever believes in him will be saved.
Jesus said that he must go back to the Father so that the Holy Spirit must come to convict the world of its sin.

That sin is the sin of unbelief.

That sin cannot be forgiven.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I just try to say what I see the bible say bro

While I agree. In the end our view that only believes will recieve atonement, which is why I hate even discussing this with you for fear you may be offended. (I consider you my brother) I just have to say what I see.

Gods son died for the world

He said all sin will be forgoven all men (but one)

He said all who repent and come to faith will pass from condemned to non condemned

As john said in his gospel. To as many as have RECIEVED HIM to THEM he gave the right to become children of God. Even to those who believe.
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No. I'm not offended by your different views.

Our views of the bible are pretty close to the same, from what I've seen.

You are honest in what you believe and you don't get your mind changed very easily.

I am the same way. We might bump heads from time to time but its not hard to spot people who are truly of the faith, like you.
 
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