Can We Eliminate the Divide Between Calvinism and Arminianism?

I don't know grandpa...
maybe YOU don't understand what the bible says....

You can believe what Romans 9 talks about to your heart's content.
However, as I've stated, ONLY the calvinist theology agrees with you....
No other biblical scholar agrees with you.

Do you really think you or I know more than someone that has studied the bible for years and years, even up to 10,,,,and has received a doctorate and knows EVERYTHING about the bible?

Are you going to state that you don't care what they think because you know more?
Please don't. It's like someone saying they know more than a doctor because they've cared for someone with a cold once in their life.

Calvinism hinges on FREE WILL.

You believe in compatible free will...
Do you understand what that is?
Can you explain it to us please?

And why you agree with it.
Thanks.

They aren't very good bible scholars if they don't even know what the bible says.

All you have to do is read Institutes of the Christian Religion and you will see it is ENTIRELY based on the bible.


Yes. I definitely don't think it is out of the question.

Why wouldn't someone who has come to Christ and has been given Wisdom and Knowledge of Christ by the Holy Spirit and studies the bible know more than someone who went to school to learn from people what other people think the bible says????


Why would I care about what people who are wrong think? They're allowed to be wrong. It doesn't hurt my feelings.

Like I said before. Calvinism DOESN'T hinge on free will. It hinges on the Sovereignty of God.

There is no reason to discuss the imagination of what people wish for. Or "free will" if you prefer that term. May as well discuss the implications fairy land has on the Kingdom of God.

I think that's the major reason why most people reject Calvinism. Apart from not knowing their bible. They are offended at what Calvinism says about their precious free will.

I have read the Institutes.
It's rather horrifying to tell you the truth.

I do want to say that I admire the intelligence of John Calvin and he's written some really good comments...some of the best. It's a shame he got the character of God all wrong.

So you say Calvinism hinges on the Sovereignty of God.
Every Christian believes God is sovereign....so how does it hinge on that?

Is God trying to trick us?
He already predestinated everything, right?
So He also predestined that we would be having this conversation right now.
So you're saying that God is having fun watching us debate whether or not He's a loving God?

Do you realize how unlike God this is?
God is love.
1 John 4:8

I realize that you think you understand God. But you obviously don't.

God elected the Hebrews but not the Egyptians.

God elected David but not Saul.

God elected Jacob but not Esau.


Was that not Love? It must have been since God is the One doing it.

So one vessel was made for honour and one for dishonor by the election and Sovereignty of God.


Is this horrifying to you? Its the bible.

I realize that you think you understand God. But you obviously don't.

God elected the Hebrews but not the Egyptians.

God elected David but not Saul.

God elected Jacob but not Esau.


Was that not Love? It must have been since God is the One doing it.

So one vessel was made for honour and one for dishonor by the election and Sovereignty of God.


Is this horrifying to you? Its the bible.

P.S.
Regarding your first sentence:

If someone understood God,,,,it would mean they also are God.
Do ants understand us?

So you can't say that electing one and not electing another is not love.

Because you don't understand.

Its just not love TO YOU. But so far, God hasn't asked you how He should run things. But He has shown in the bible how He does it.

I do believe you have soteriology backwards....

John 3:16
States that whoever believes will be saved.

Not that one will be saved and then will believe.

Acts 16:30-31
The jailer is told to believe in the Lord and he will be saved.
Not he will be saved and then believe in the Lord.

Ephesians 2:8-9
We have been saved THROUGH faith....the faith comes first.
Not we have been saved and then receive faith.

What scripture says we are saved first (believe first)
and then receive faith?

OK grandpa...you don't want to have a serious conversation and I'm not willing to just argue for the sake of arguing.

But yes....electing one and not electing another is a sign that love is not present.
Why didn't God just save everybody?
Because we're all doomed from birth and don't deserve it?
So, gee, we're so lucky God decided to at least save some since NOBODY deserves it.

It's OK. You're probably going to heaven and we'll meet up there and then we'll know who's right.
Do you think God might be a little upset that you put him in such a bad light?

He can't be sovereign AND good?

Good night.

OK grandpa...you don't want to have a serious conversation and I'm not willing to just argue for the sake of arguing.

But yes....electing one and not electing another is a sign that love is not present.
Why didn't God just save everybody?
Because we're all doomed from birth and don't deserve it?
So, gee, we're so lucky God decided to at least save some since NOBODY deserves it.

It's OK. You're probably going to heaven and we'll meet up there and then we'll know who's right.
Do you think God might be a little upset that you put him in such a bad light?

He can't be sovereign AND good?

Good night.

I won's speak for Arminians (since I am not in that camp). But how can it be the same when Calvinists claim that Christ died only the the elect, whereas the Bible says that He died for the sins of the whole world? And that God predestines some for salvation and others for damnation, when the Bible says that God now commands all men everywhere to repent. These are vastly different Gospels.

You still do not understand the position so your comments are not going to help

No. I fully understand the position and it is all there in the Westminster Confession of Faith. I could quote chapter and verse.

No. I fully understand the position and it is all there in the Westminster Confession of Faith. I could quote chapter and verse.

If you understood it you would not say God predestined people for hell. Could you show that teaching in the 1644?

I won's speak for Arminians (since I am not in that camp). But how can it be the same when Calvinists claim that Christ died only the the elect, whereas the Bible says that He died for the sins of the whole world? And that God predestines some for salvation and others for damnation, when the Bible says that God now commands all men everywhere to repent. These are vastly different Gospels.

If you understood it you would not say God predestined people for hell. Could you show that teaching in the 1644?

He can read it into the Bible, surely he can read it into the Confessions as well.

That poster seems bitter against the truth of God. It will not be long before he denies essential truths....

He already does deny them. In his attempt to get God off the hook he fights the biblical doctrines of predestination and election. He counts God as unjust for electing whom he wills to eternal salvation, so he created his own version of a god that makes him feel more snuggly. God has to fit what he thinks is fair, then he puts the carved image on a mantle and worships it.