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YourTruthGod

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I don't see a point. ?

Why think that would be discipline from God?
1 Corinthians 11:27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. 32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.
 

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9 There remains, therefore, a Sabbath rest for the people of God,

10 because the one who enters God's rest has himself rested from his own actions, just as God did from his.

11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one may fail by following their example of disobedience.

12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any double-edged sword, piercing until it divides soul and spirit, joints and marrow, as it judges the thoughts and purposes of the heart.

I think the actions that we rest from is our own human nature. And we rise in Spirit.

It may take a lifetime to run the race of faith to the finish line, maturity, perfect.

Or maybe like Enoch? Possible?
 

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9 There remains, therefore, a Sabbath rest for the people of God,

10 because the one who enters God's rest has himself rested from his own actions, just as God did from his.

11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one may fail by following their example of disobedience.

12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any double-edged sword, piercing until it divides soul and spirit, joints and marrow, as it judges the thoughts and purposes of the heart.

I think the actions that we rest from is our own human nature. And we rise in Spirit.

It may take a lifetime to run the race of faith to the finish line, maturity, perfect.

Or maybe like Enoch? Possible?
Did you read scripture 11?
 

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1 Corinthians 11:27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. 32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.
What do you think that "discerning the body" means YTG?
 

stonesoffire

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Did you read scripture 11?
After all our postings, you don't yet see that disobedience is the sin of unbelief?

Obedience is to believe Gods Voice! Not the serpents voice, nor the voice of our own humanity.

This started in the garden. The Son of God finished it.


REST IN HIM!
 

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After all our postings, you don't yet see that disobedience is the sin of unbelief?

Obedience is to believe Gods Voice! Not the serpents voice, nor the voice of our own humanity.

This started in the garden. The Son of God finished it.


REST IN HIM!
It is about obedience, which is also faith.
 

stonesoffire

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It means they didn't care about being respectful and loving to the poor and they got drunk on the wine.
Lol...now I understand the phrase of one pulling out his hair.

Discerning the body of Christ. Going back to a former post. Teaching disciples and baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Seeing the revelation of the benefits of our salvation. People die if no faith of being healed.

You are seeing the body as us on earth?
 

YourTruthGod

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Lol...now I understand the phrase of one pulling out his hair.

Discerning the body of Christ. Going back to a former post. Teaching disciples and baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Seeing the revelation of the benefits of our salvation. People die if no faith of being healed.

You are seeing the body as us on earth?
What are you talking about?

I said people were disciplined and gave you scriptures.

1 Corinthians 11:17 In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. 18 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19 No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval. 20 So then, when you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat, 21 for when you are eating, some of you go ahead with your own private suppers. As a result, one person remains hungry and another gets drunk. 22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God by humiliating those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? Certainly not in this matter!
 

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...TEACHING THEM TO OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU...Matthew 28:18-20

Who are CLAIMING that they who BELIEVE in Christ and are SAVED, are the ones who truly OBEY?

Why do they attack those who OBEY Christ's command to teach OBEDIENCE to his commands instead of teaching OBEDIENCE to His commands as the verses CLEARLY state?

It's because they do not really BELIEVE Christ who spoke those words and their defiance proves it. They would rather BELIEVE and OBEY FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES....for they loved praise from men more than praise from God. John 12:42-43

The itsy TWISTY spider...

...For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. THEY ARE GODLESS MEN, WHO CHANGE THE GRACE OF OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY and DENY Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 1:4

...They claim to know God, but by THEIR ACTIONS they DENY Him. They are detestable, DISOBEDIENT and UNFIT for doing anything good. Titus 1:16

Look who's talking about HONESTY.

...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:3-6

Do you not CALL EVIL GOOD and GOOD EVIL? (Isaiah 5:20-24)

Is it RIGHT to OBEY God? Is it GOOD or is it WRONG and EVIL? If it is RIGHT and GOOD, why do you call those who promote OBEDIENCE TO GOD as FALSE or peddlers of a FALSE GOSPEL?

Do you not insult and call the views of those who promote OBEDIENCE to God as IDIOTIC?

It's funny how your group can say that only genuine believers would OBEY God and those who promote OBEDIENCE to God are LOST, UNBELIEVERS, FALSE, DECEIVER, NOT SAVED TO BEGIN WITH and many other discriminating NEGATIVE remarks.

And when you are called out, you will accuse them of SLANDER and start bullying those who disagree with you to the point of getting them banned to SUPPRESS THE TRUTH which no NOSAS ever did.

But scriptures fortold of these kind of people and behaviour.

.. Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. Jude 1:14-19

...If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Timothy 6:3-5

...Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. HE WHO DOES WHAT IS RIGHT IS RIGHTEOUS, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.

IS IT RIGHT TO OBEY GOD or not?

Are you an instrument of God's righteousness or do you just BELIEVE and let God do everything for you?

Who now is the LORD, you?...and who is your servant, GOD?

....“You have said harsh things against me,” says the Lord. “Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’ “You have said, ‘IT IS FUTILE TO SERVE GOD. What did we gain by CARRYING OUT HIS REQUIREMENTS and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.’” Then THOSE WHO FEARED THE LORD talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. “They will be mine,” says the Lord Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I WILL SPARE THEM, just as in compassion a man spares HIS SON WHO SERVES HIM. And you will again see the DISTINCTION between the RIGHTEOUS and the WICKED, between those who SERVE GOD and those who do not. Malachi 3:13-18

...God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him WE MIGHT BECOME THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD. 2 Corinthians 5:21[

...I have written you quite boldly on some points, as if to remind you of them again, because of the grace God gave me to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles with the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit. Therefore I glory in Christ Jesus in my service to God. I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in LEADING THE GENTILES TO OBEY GOD BY WHAT I HAVE SAID AND DONE— Romans 15:15-18
 
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Lol...now I understand the phrase of one pulling out his hair.

Discerning the body of Christ. Going back to a former post. Teaching disciples and baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Seeing the revelation of the benefits of our salvation. People die if no faith of being healed.

You are seeing the body as us on earth?

Amen....he twists the word more that the local pretzel shops twist bread dough..........not very honest with scripture at all.....
 

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...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS IS A LIAR and THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him MUST WALK AS JESUS DID. 1 John 2:3-6

...But the COWARDLY, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ÀLL LIARS—their place will be in the FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8


Amen....he twists the word more that the local pretzel shops twist bread dough..........not very honest with scripture at all.....
 
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You prove me right and yourself wrong.
You are badly mistaken about what you say about the Holy Bible and what you say about that scripture.
And you base this on what? The warm fuzzy feeling in your cotton socks?

My friend you can disagree all you like but if you can't give me something substantial it just your opinion.
 

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...“My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work. Do you not say, ‘Four months more and then the harvest’? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest. Even now the reaper draws his wages, even now he harvests the crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together. Thus the saying ‘One sows and another reaps’ is true. I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor.”
John 4:34-38

Have you reaped the benefits of the labor done by others for you?
If yes then would you labor or WORK for the benefit of those who would believe and be saved?

"If no one would labor or work anymore for their benefit then maybe the right number of the Gentiles have already got in...if not, then there are a lot of job openings in the kingdom needing workers to fill out the vacant positions.

Never can any man work for his own salvation...it is the work of God and we are His fellow workers. (1 Corinthians 3:9 & 2 Corinthians 6:1)

...But you know that Timothy has proved himself, because as a son with his father he has served with me in the WORK OF THE GOSPEL.
Philippians 2:22

...Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have WANDERED AWAY FROM THE TRUTH. They say that the RESURRECTION HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE, and they DESTROY THE FAITH of some. Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord MUST TURN AWAY FROM WICKEDNESS” 2 Timothy 2:14-19

"MUST TURN AWAY FROM WICKEDNESS"

Disobedience to God is wickedness. So we MUST turn away from DISOBEDIENCE to God and WALK in obedience to His commands.

...And this is love: that we WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK IN LOVE. MANY DECEIVERS, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who RUNS AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE IN THE TEACHING OF CHRIST DOES NOT HAVE GOD; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him SHARES IN HIS WICKED WORK. 2 John 1:6-11

...Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”... Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he WILL OBEY MY TEACHING. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. HE WHO DOES NOT LOVE ME WILL NOT OBEY MY TEACHINGS. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. John 14:21,23-24

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things GOD'S WRATH COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT. Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6-7
 

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And you base this on what? The warm fuzzy feeling in your cotton socks?

My friend you can disagree all you like but if you can't give me something substantial it just your opinion.
This is why God did not like their offerings.
Isaiah 1:1The vision concerning Judah and Jerusalem that Isaiah son of Amoz saw during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.
A Rebellious Nation
2Hear me, you heavens! Listen, earth!
For the Lord has spoken:
“I reared children and brought them up,
but they have rebelled against me.


4Woe to the sinful nation,
a people whose guilt is great,
a brood of evildoers,
children given to corruption!
They have forsaken the Lord;
they have spurned the Holy One of Israel

and turned their backs on him.
5 Why should you be beaten anymore?
Why do you persist in rebellion?
Your whole head is injured,
your whole heart afflicted.


9 Unless the Lord Almighty
had left us some survivors,
we would have become like Sodom,
we would have been like Gomorrah.
10Hear the word of the Lord,
you rulers of Sodom;
listen to the instruction of our God,
you people of Gomorrah!
11“The multitude of your sacrifices—
what are they to me?” says the Lord.
“I have more than enough of burnt offerings,
of rams and the fat of fattened animals;
I have no pleasure
in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.
12When you come to appear before me,
who has asked this of you,

this trampling of my courts?
13Stop bringing meaningless offerings!

Your incense is detestable to me.
New Moon, Sabbaths and convocations—
I cannot bear your worthless assemblies.
14Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals
I hate with all my being.
They have become a burden to me;
I am weary of bearing them.
15When you spread out your hands in prayer,
I hide my eyes from you;
even when you offer many prayers,
I am not listening.
Your hands are full of blood!
16Wash and make yourselves clean.

Take your evil deeds out of my sight;
stop doing wrong.

17Learn to do right; seek justice.
Defend the oppressed.
Take up the cause of the fatherless;
plead the case of the widow.
18“Come now, let us settle the matter,”

says the Lord.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.
19If you are willing and obedient,
you will eat the good things of the land;
20but if you resist and rebel,
you will be devoured by the sword.”
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken

21See how the faithful city
has become a prostitute!
She once was full of justice;
righteousness used to dwell in her—

but now murderers!

23Your rulers are rebels,
partners with thieves;
they all love bribes
and chase after gifts.
They do not defend the cause of the fatherless;
the widow’s case does not come before them.


25I will turn my hand against you;
I will thoroughly purge away your dross
and remove all your impurities.
26I will restore your leaders as in days of old,
your rulers as at the beginning.
Afterward you will be called
the City of Righteousness,
the Faithful City.”
27Zion will be delivered with justice,
her penitent ones with righteousness.
28But rebels and sinners will both be broken,

and those who forsake the Lord will perish.

31The mighty man will become tinder
and his work a spark;
both will burn together,
with no one to quench the fire.”
 

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And you base this on what? The warm fuzzy feeling in your cotton socks?

My friend you can disagree all you like but if you can't give me something substantial it just your opinion.
Read Psalm 51 about what will make God like the offerings.

Psalm 51:1Have mercy on me, O God,

according to your unfailing love;

according to your great compassion

blot out my transgressions.

2Wash away all my iniquity

and cleanse me from my sin.

3For I know my transgressions,

and my sin is always before me.

4Against you, you only, have I sinned

and done what is evil in your sight;

so you are right in your verdict

and justified when you judge.


5Surely I was sinful at birth,

sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

6Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb;

you taught me wisdom in that secret place.

7Cleanse me with hyssop, and I will be clean;

wash me, and I will be whiter than snow.

8Let me hear joy and gladness;

let the bones you have crushed rejoice.

9Hide your face from my sins

and blot out all my iniquity.

10Create in me a pure heart, O God,

and renew a steadfast spirit within me.

11Do not cast me from your presence

or take your Holy Spirit from me.

12Restore to me the joy of your salvation

and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me.

13Then I will teach transgressors your ways,

so that sinners will turn back to you.

14Deliver me from the guilt of bloodshed, O God,

you who are God my Savior,

and my tongue will sing of your righteousness.

15Open my lips, Lord,

and my mouth will declare your praise.

16You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it;

you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings.

17My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit;

a broken and contrite heart

you, God, will not despise.

18May it please you to prosper Zion,

to build up the walls of Jerusalem.

19Then you will delight in the sacrifices of the righteous,


in burnt offerings offered whole;

then bulls will be offered on your altar.




There was no sacrifice for adultery and murder, David would have brought.
David is an example of how we have to repent of our sins.
Notice that David says he give offering that God would delight in after he is forgiven and washed clean.
 

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And you base this on what? The warm fuzzy feeling in your cotton socks?

My friend you can disagree all you like but if you can't give me something substantial it just your opinion.
In case you don't understand that God commanded animal sacrifices, read this scripture:

Ezekiel 44: 15“ ‘But the Levitical priests, who are descendants of Zadok and who guarded my sanctuary when the Israelites went astray from me, are to come near to minister before me; they are to stand before me to offer sacrifices of fat and blood, declares the Sovereign Lord. 16They alone are to enter my sanctuary; they alone are to come near my table to minister before me and serve me as guards.

In case you still don't get it that God liked sacrifices from people whose heart were right, read these scriptures:

Psalm 20:3 May He remember all your gifts and look favorably on your burnt offerings. Selah

Psalm 66:13 I will enter Your house with burnt offerings; I will fulfill my vows to you--

Psalm 66:15 I will offer You fatlings as burnt offerings, with the fragrant smoke of rams; I will offer bulls and goats. Selah


So after all these scriptures, you should be able to understand that the filthy rag scripture about their righteous acts were because they were sinners who were not sorry for their sins.
 
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This is why God did not like their offerings.
You said the blood is from an animal and I told you are mistaken because the Hebrew tells you something else. How is this relevant? Without the Hebrew the Bible is open for interpretation. If you include the Hebrew it is not.
 
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In case you don't understand that God commanded animal sacrifices, read this scripture
I am not disputing sacrifices, I am telling you for that verse you had the source of the blood wrong. You also said we do not have to study the Hebrew and the point I was trying to make was that if you understood the Hebrew you would have known you are making a mistake. The Hebrew (just like the English) is still relevant to us today.