The Holy Spirit is Jesus.

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Now that we have a basic understanding of Hebrew adjectives and numbers, let's take a closer look at the Biblical Hebrew word for "one." In Genesis 42:13 we find the phrase "one man," which in Hebrew is איש אחד (iysh ehhad). The word iysh means "man" and the word ehhad means "one." But notice, the adjective ehhad does not precede the noun like other numbers; it instead follows it like all other adjectives but, it is clearly being used for the number "one," but it does not act like a number. Let's look at another example. In Genesis 27:44 is the phrase "few days," which in Hebrew is written as ימים אחדים (yamim ehhadiym) The word ימים (yamim) is the plural form of the noun יום (yom) meaning day. The word אחדים (ehhadiym) is the plural form of the word אחד (ehhad), which we previously found to mean "one." But notice that this word operates like all other adjectives and not as a number. It is plural because it is modifying a plural noun (unlike numbers) and it follows the noun it is modifying (unlike numbers). How can the word אחד (ehhad) be used as a number, but not as a number? If ehhad is not a real number meaning "one," is there a Hebrew word that does mean "one" and acts like a number? Yes, there is, but it is rarely used in the Hebrew Bible. http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/articles_one.html
 

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Nope. There's no hint of a trinity in the OT, Jesus is the Father and the son and the Holy spirit.

Mal 3:1“Behold, I will send My messenger, who will prepare the way before Me. Then the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to His temple—the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight—see, He is coming,” says the LORD of Hosts.

Isa 40:
3A voice of one calling:
“Prepare the way for the LORD in the wilderness;a
make a straight highway for our God in the desert.

Mark 1:
1This is the beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.a 2As it is written in Isaiah the prophet:
Behold, I will send My messenger ahead of You,
who will prepare Your way.”b
3“A voice of one calling in the wilderness,
‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for Him.’
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4John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.5People went out to him from all of Jerusalem and the countryside of Judea. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.
6John was clothed in camel’s hair, with a leather belt around his waist. His food was locusts and wild honey.7And he began to proclaim: “After me will come One more powerful than I, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to stoop down and untie. 8I baptize you with water,d but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.e
9In those days Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan.

As much as we know the Father sent the son, why can't we see that it is actually God (one person), sending Himself? In the above passages, it is made clear how the Father sent the son- He actually became the son.

I already gave you the texts that hint at it.

There is a book by a Jewish Christian Scholar on it titled: The Tri-unity of God is Jewish by John Metzger
https://www.ariel.org/about/field-representatives/john-b-metzger
https://www.amazon.com/Tri-unity-God-Jewish-John-Metzger/dp/1882324323
 

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But did they receive the Holy spirit at that moment or Jesus had to go first?
John 16: 7But I tell you the truth, it is for your benefit that I am going away.Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come toyou; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
It is expedient for you (sumperei umin). Present active indicative of sumperw, old verb to bear together. See Acts 11:50 where the phrase is used by Caiaphas "for us," here "for you" (umin ethical dative). That I go away (ina egw apelqw). Subject clause the subject of sumperei, ina and second aorist active subjunctive of apercomai. The reason (gar) for this startling statement follows. If I go not away (ean mh apelqw). Third-class condition with ean and the negative mh with apelqw as before. Will not come (ou mh elqh). Strong double negative with second aorist active subjunctive of ercomai. The Holy Spirit was, of course, already at work in the hearts of men, but not in the sense of witnessing as Paraclete which could only take place after Jesus had gone back to the Father. But if I go (ean de poreuqw). Third-class condition again (ean and the first aorist passive subjunctive of poreuomai). I will send (pempsw). First person future as in Acts 15 .


The Greek Grammar in John 20 shows they were indwelt at that time. In Acts 2, they were filled. If one studies the word fill, full, pour with Holy Spirit in Acts, one will see the filling can occur many times for a person. As the saying goes we are leaky vessels.
 

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Why hint only? i have given you passages that tell it as it is, the Father became the son, the master became the messenger Himself.
Revelation is progressive. The full picture is not given at the beginning.

Hebrews 10:1 ESV /
For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+10&version=ESV
 

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It is expedient for you (sumperei umin). Present active indicative of sumperw, old verb to bear together. See Acts 11:50 where the phrase is used by Caiaphas "for us," here "for you" (umin ethical dative). That I go away (ina egw apelqw). Subject clause the subject of sumperei, ina and second aorist active subjunctive of apercomai. The reason (gar) for this startling statement follows. If I go not away (ean mh apelqw). Third-class condition with ean and the negative mh with apelqw as before. Will not come (ou mh elqh). Strong double negative with second aorist active subjunctive of ercomai. The Holy Spirit was, of course, already at work in the hearts of men, but not in the sense of witnessing as Paraclete which could only take place after Jesus had gone back to the Father. But if I go (ean de poreuqw). Third-class condition again (ean and the first aorist passive subjunctive of poreuomai). I will send (pempsw). First person future as in Acts 15 .


The Greek Grammar in John 20 shows they were indwelt at that time. In Acts 2, they were filled. If one studies the word fill, full, pour with Holy Spirit in Acts, one will see the filling can occur many times for a person. As the saying goes we are leaky vessels.
You are speaking a language that i don't understand but i hope you are not disputing that Jesus simply meant that if He (Jesus) doesn't go, the HS doesn't come into them (The disciples) yet the HS was already there with them (The disciples) and they (Disciples) knew Him (The HS).

Jesus also says that He will not leave them comfortless because He would be coming to them shortly.
Looking at it from any angle, Jesus was claiming to be the Holy spirit here, if He indeed came back to them shortly after going.

John 14:...But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

Q. In what form was Jesus coming back to them?
 

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You are speaking a language that i don't understand but i hope you are not disputing that Jesus simply meant that if He (Jesus) doesn't go, the HS doesn't come into them (The disciples) yet the HS was already there with them (The disciples) and they (Disciples) knew Him (The HS).

Jesus also says that He will not leave them comfortless because He would be coming to them shortly.
Looking at it from any angle, Jesus was claiming to be the Holy spirit here, if He indeed came back to them shortly after going.

John 14:...But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

Q. In what form was Jesus coming back to them?
Are you aware of differences between indwelt and filled? From the context of these two texts Jesus is promising them the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, not the filling of the Holy Spirit that happened in Acts 2.

John 14
Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit
15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper,[f] to be with you forever, 17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be[g] in you.

18 “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. 21 Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” 22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, “Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?” 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me.

25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid. 28 You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. 29 And now I have told you before it takes place, so that when it does take place you may believe. 30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me, 31 but I do as the Father has commanded me, so that the world may know that I love the Father. Rise, let us go from here.

John 20
Jesus Appears to the Disciples
19 On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews,[c] Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” 20 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. 21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.” 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”

Jesus and Thomas
24 Now Thomas, one of the twelve, called the Twin,[d] was not with them when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and place my finger into the mark of the nails, and place my hand into his side, I will never believe.”

26 Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

The Purpose of This Book
30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
 

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Are you aware of differences between indwelt and filled?
No, i'm not aware; which one is dependent of Jesus' departure and why is it crucial that it happens when Jesus has gone?
 

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No, i'm not aware; which one is dependent of Jesus' departure and why is it crucial that it happens when Jesus has gone?

This will take several posts.

Short answer: Jesus was glorified related to his Resurrection. When we are transferred into God's Kingdom, He indwells us with the Holy Spirit. The filling is related to being empowered by the HS for ministry and daily walk -- which we should pray for often during the day.
 

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Filling of Holy spirit did happen in Hebrew Scriptures:

1 Samuel 10:10

When they came to the hill there, behold, a group of prophets met him; and the spirit of God came upon him mightily, so that he prophesied among them.[/B]

Isaiah 11:2

The spirit of the LORD will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.

Filling of Holy spirit did happen in Gospels:

Luke 4:18-19
"THE spirit OF THE LORD IS upon ME, BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR. HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED, TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD."
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Theglorified thing happens throughout the Bible.

Jesus got hisglory related to his Resurrection:

Luke 24 American Standard Version (ASV)
24 1 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came unto the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared. 2 And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. 3 And they entered in, and found not the body [a]of the Lord Jesus. 4 And it came to pass, while they were perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in dazzling apparel: 5 and as they were affrighted and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? 6 [c]He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, 7 saying that the Son of man must be delivered up into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. 8 And they remembered his words, 9 and returned [d]from the tomb, and told all these things to the eleven, and to all the rest. 10 Now they were Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James: and the other women with them told these things unto the apostles. 11 And these words appeared in their sight as idle talk; and they disbelieved them. 12 [e]But Peter arose, and ran unto the tomb; and stooping and looking in, he seeth the linen cloths by themselves; and he [f]departed to his home, wondering at that which was come to pass.


13 And behold, two of them were going that very day to a village named Emmaus, which was threescore furlongs from Jerusalem. 14 And they communed with each other of all these things which had happened. 15 And it came to pass, while they communed and questioned together, that Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. 16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. 17 And he said unto them, [g]What communications are these that ye have one with another, as ye walk? And they stood still, looking sad. 18 And one of them, named Cleopas, answering said unto him, [h]Dost thou alone sojourn in Jerusalem and not know the things which are come to pass there in these days? 19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, The things concerning Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: 20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him up to be condemned to death, and crucified him. 21 But we hoped that it was he who should redeem Israel. Yea and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things came to pass. 22 Moreover certain women of our company amazed us, having been early at the tomb; 23 and when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, who said that he was alive. 24 And certain of them that were with us went to the tomb, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not. 25 And he said unto them, O foolish men, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Behooved it not the Christ to suffer these things, and to enter into hisglory? 27 And beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he interpreted to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. 28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they were going: and he made as though he would go further. 29 And they constrained him, saying, Abide with us; for it is toward evening, and the day is now far spent. And he went in to abide with them. 30 And it came to pass, when he had sat down with them to meat, he took the [j]bread and blessed; and breaking it he gave to them. 31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight. 32 And they said one to another, Was not our heart burning within us, while he spake to us in the way, while he opened to us the scriptures? 33 And they rose up that very hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, 34 saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon. 35 And they rehearsed the things that happened in the way, and how he was known of them in the breaking of the bread.

36 And as they spake these things, he himself stood in the midst of them, [k]and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they beheld a spirit. 38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and wherefore do questionings arise in your heart? 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye behold me having. 40 [l]And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. 41 And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here anything to eat? 42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish[m]. 43 And he took it, and ate before them.

44 And he said unto them, These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their mind, that they might understand the scriptures; 46 and he said unto them, Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer, and rise again from the dead the third day; 47 and that repentance [n]and remission of sins should be preached in his name unto all the [o]nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 Ye are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I send forth the promise of my Father upon/b] you: but tarry ye in the city, until ye be clothed with power from on high.

50 And he led them out until they were over against Bethany: and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them. 51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he parted from them, [p]and was carried up into heaven. 52 And they [q]worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: 53 and were continually in the temple, blessing God.
 

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John 15:20-16:22 American Standard Version (ASV)
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, A [a]servant is not greater than his lord. If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they kept my word, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which none other did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. 25 But this cometh to pass, that the word may be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause. 26 But when the [c]Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the spirit of truth, which [d]proceedeth from the Father, he shall bear witness of me: 27 [e]and ye also bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

16 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be caused to stumble. 2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the hour cometh, that whosoever killeth you shall think that he offereth service unto God. 3 And these things will they do, because they have not known the Father, nor me. 4 But these things have I spoken unto you, that when their hour is come, ye may remember them, how that I told you. And these things I said not unto you from the beginning, because I was with you. 5 But now I go unto him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? 6 But because I have spoken these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth: It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the [f]Comforter will not come unto you; but if I go, I will send him unto you. 8 And he, when he is come, will convict the world in respect of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to the Father, and ye behold me no more; 11 of judgment, because the prince of this world hath been judged. 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come. 14 He shallglorify me: for he shall take of mine, and shall declare it unto you. 15 All things whatsoever the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he taketh of mine, and shall declare it unto you. 16 A little while, and ye behold me no more; and again a little while, and ye shall see me. 17 Some of his disciples therefore said one to another, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye behold me not; and again a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father? 18 They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? We know not what he saith. 19 Jesus perceived that they were desirous to ask him, and he said unto them, Do ye inquire among yourselves concerning this, that I said, A little while, and ye behold me not, and again a little while, and ye shall see me? 20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy. 21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but when she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for the joy that a man is born into the world. 22 And ye therefore now have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no one taketh away from you.
 

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John 17 American Standard Version (ASV)
17 These things spake Jesus; and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, Father, the hour is come;glorify thy Son, that the Son mayglorify thee: 2 even as thou gavest him authority over all flesh, that [a]to all whom thou hast given him, he should give eternal life. 3 And this is life eternal, that they should know thee the only true God, and him whom thou didst send, even Jesus Christ. 4 Iglorified thee on the earth, having accomplished the work which thou hast given me to do. 5 And now, Father,glorify thou me with thine own self with theglory which I had with thee before the world was. 6 I manifested thy name unto the men whom thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them to me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they know that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are from thee: 8 for the words which thou gavest me I have given unto them; and they received them, and knew of a truth that I came forth from thee, and they believed that thou didst send me. 9 I pray for them: I [c]pray not for the world, but for those whom thou hast given me; for they are thine: 10 and all things that are mine are thine, and thine are mine: and I amglorified in them. 11 And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are. 12 While I was with them, I kept them in thy name which thou hast given me: and I guarded them, and not one of them perished, but the son of perdition; [d]that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I come to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy made full in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I [e]pray not that thou shouldest take them [f]from the world, but that thou shouldest keep them [g]from [h]the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them in the truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou didst send me into the world, even so sent I them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I [j]sanctify myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. 20 Neither for these only do I [k]pray, but for them also that believe on me through their word; 21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me. 22 And theglory which thou hast given me I have given unto them; that they may be one, even as we are one; 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that thou didst send me, and lovedst them, even as thou lovedst me. 24 Father, [l]I desire that they also whom thou hast given me be with me where I am, that they may behold myglory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world knew thee not, but I knew thee; and these knew that thou didst send me; 26 and I made known unto them thy name, and will make it known; that the love wherewith thou lovedst me may be in them, and I in them.
 

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John 7 American Standard Version (ASV)
7 And after these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Judaea, because the Jews sought to kill him. 2 Now the feast of the Jews, the feast of tabernacles, was at hand. 3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may behold thy works which thou doest. 4 For no man doeth anything in secret, [a]and himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou doest these things, manifest thyself to the world. 5 For even his brethren did not believe on him. 6 Jesus therefore saith unto them, My time is not yet come; but your time is always ready. 7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that its works are evil. 8 Go ye up unto the feast: I go not up unto this feast; because my time is not yet fulfilled. 9 And having said these things unto them, he abode still in Galilee.

10 But when his brethren were gone up unto the feast, then went he also up, not publicly, but as it were in secret. 11 The Jews therefore sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he? 12 And there was much murmuring among the multitudes concerning him: some said, He is a good man; others said, Not so, but he leadeth the multitude astray. 13 Yet no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews.

14 But when it was now the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught. 15 The Jews therefore marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned? 16 Jesus therefore answered them, and said, My teaching is not mine, but his that sent me. 17 If any man willeth to do his will, he shall know of the teaching, whether it is of God, or whether I speak from myself. 18 He that speaketh from himself seeketh his ownglory: but he that seeketh theglory of him that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. 19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you doeth the law? Why seek ye to kill me? 20 The multitude answered, Thou hast a demon: who seeketh to kill thee? 21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I did one work, and ye all marvel because thereof. 22 Moses hath given you circumcision (not that it is of Moses, but of the fathers); and on the sabbath ye circumcise a man. 23 If a man receiveth circumcision on the sabbath, that the law of Moses may not be broken; are ye wroth with me, because I made [c]a man every whit whole on the sabbath? 24 Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

25 Some therefore of them of Jerusalem said, Is not this he whom they seek to kill? 26 And lo, he speaketh openly, and they say nothing unto him. Can it be that the rulers indeed know that this is the Christ? 27 Howbeit we know this man whence he is: but when the Christ cometh, no one knoweth whence he is. 28 Jesus therefore cried in the temple, teaching and saying, Ye both know me, and know whence I am; and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not. 29 I know him; because I am from him, and he sent me. 30 They sought therefore to take him: and no man laid his hand on him, because his hour was not yet come. 31 But of the multitude many believed on him; and they said, When the Christ shall come, will he do more signs than those which this man hath done? 32 The Pharisees heard the multitude murmuring these things concerning him; and the chief priests and the Pharisees sent officers to take him. 33 Jesus therefore said, Yet a little while am I with you, and I go unto him that sent me. 34 Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, ye cannot come. 35 The Jews therefore said among themselves, Whither will this man go that we shall not find him? will he go unto the Dispersion [d]among the Greeks, and teach the Greeks? 36 What is this word that he said, Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me; and where I am, ye cannot come?

37 Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, [e]from within him shall flow rivers of living water. 39 But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believed on him were to receive: [f]for the spirit was not yet given; because Jesus was not yetglorified. 40 Some of the multitude therefore, when they heard these words, said, This is of a truth the prophet. 41 Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, What, doth the Christ come out of Galilee? 42 [g]Hath not the scripture said that the Christ cometh of the seed of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was? 43 So there arose a division in the multitude because of him. 44 And some of them would have taken him; but no man laid hands on him.

45 The officers therefore came to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why did ye not bring him? 46 The officers answered, Never man so spake. 47 The Pharisees therefore answered them, Are ye also led astray? 48 Hath any of the rulers believed on him, or of the Pharisees? 49 But this multitude that knoweth not the law are accursed. 50 Nicodemus saith unto them (he that came to him before, being one of them), 51 Doth our law judge a man, except it first hear from himself and know what he doeth? 52 They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and [h]see that out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.
 

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John 12 American Standard Version (ASV)
12 Jesus therefore six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, whom Jesus raised from the dead. 2 So they made him a supper there: and Martha served; but Lazarus was one of them that [a]sat at meat with him. 3 Mary therefore took a pound of ointment of pure nard, very precious, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odor of the ointment. 4 But Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples, that should [c]betray him, saith, 5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred [d]shillings, and given to the poor? 6 Now this he said, not because he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and having the [e]bag [f]took away what was put therein. 7 Jesus therefore said, [g]Suffer her to keep it against the day of my burying. 8 For the poor ye have always with you; but me ye have not always.

9 The common people therefore of the Jews learned that he was there: and they came, not for Jesus’ sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead. 10 But the chief priests took counsel that they might put Lazarus also to death; 11 because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.

12 On the morrow [h]a great multitude that had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, 13 took the branches of the palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried out, Hosanna: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel. 14 And Jesus, having found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written, 15 Fear not, daughter of Zion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass’s colt. 16 These things understood not his disciples at the first: but when Jesus wasglorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, and that they had done these things unto him. 17 The multitude therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of the tomb, and raised him from the dead, bare witness. 18 For this cause also the multitude went and met him, for that they heard that he had done this sign. 19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, [j]Behold how ye prevail nothing; lo, the world is gone after him.

20 Now there were certain Greeks among those that went up to worship at the feast: 21 these therefore came to Philip, who was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and asked him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus. 22 Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: Andrew cometh, and Philip, and they tell Jesus. 23 And Jesus answereth them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should beglorified. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a grain of wheat fall into the earth and die, it abideth by itself alone; but if it die, it beareth much fruit. 25 He that loveth his [k]life loseth it; and he that hateth his [l]life in this world shall keep it unto [m]life eternal. 26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will the Father honor. 27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this [n]hour. But for this cause came I unto this hour. 28 Father,glorify thy name. There came therefore a voice out of heaven, saying, I have bothglorified it, and willglorify it again. 29 The multitude therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it had thundered: others said, An angel hath spoken to him. 30 Jesus answered and said, This voice hath not come for my sake, but for your sakes. 31 Now is [o]the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. 32 And I, if I be lifted up [p]from the earth, will draw all men unto myself. 33 But this he said, signifying by what manner of death he should die. 34 The multitude therefore answered him, We have heard out of the law that the Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man? 35 Jesus therefore said unto them, Yet a little while is the light [q]among you. Walk while ye have the light, that darkness overtake you not: and he that walketh in the darkness knoweth not whither he goeth. 36 While ye have the light, believe on the light, that ye may become sons of light.

These things spake Jesus, and he departed and [r]hid himself from them. 37 But though he had done so many signs before them, yet they believed not on him: 38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake,

Lord, who hath believed our report?
And to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?


39 For this cause they could not believe, for that Isaiah said again,

40 [t]He hath blinded their eyes, and he hardened their heart;
Lest they should see with their eyes, and perceive with their heart,
And should turn,
And I should heal them.


41 These things said Isaiah, because he saw hisglory; and he spake of him. 42 Nevertheless even of the rulers many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess it, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: 43 for they loved theglory that is of men more than theglory that is of God.

44 And Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that beholdeth me beholdeth him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me may not abide in the darkness. 47 And if any man hear my sayings, and keep them not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my sayings, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I spake, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I spake not from myself; but the Father that sent me, he hath given me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life eternal; the things therefore which I speak, even as the Father hath said unto me, so I speak.
 

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related to ourglorification: https://www.gotquestions.org/glorification.html for encouragement.


I read in a book somewhere, hope my memory was ok. I think it may have been C.S. Lewish or Spurgeon.

"The release of theglory of Christ’s divinity was His beingglorified by the Father with the divineglory (John 12:23-24) in His resurrection through His death (Luke 24:26).

John 7:39b says, "The spirit was not yet, because Jesus had not yet beenglorified." Many readers of the Bible might find this verse easier to understand if resurrected were used instead ofglorified, for then the verse would say, "The spirit was not yet, because Jesus had not yet been resurrected." But the verse does not say "had not yet been resurrected"; it says "had not yet beenglorified." However,glorified actually stands for resurrected, for the Lord wasglorified when He was resurrected. In Luke 24:26 the Lord said of Himself, "Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and enter into Hisglory?" This refers to His resurrection (v.46), which brought Him intoglory (1 Cor. 15:43a; Acts 3:13a, 15a). For Christ to enter into Hisglory, into Hisglorification, was for Him to enter into His resurrection. This means that He wasglorified in His resurrection. His resurrection was Hisglorification."

Jesus is evenglorified by the healing after Pentecost:

Acts 3
11 And as he held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the [a]porch that is called Solomon’s, greatly wondering. 12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this man? or why fasten ye your eyes on us, as though by our own power or godliness we had made him to walk? 13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hathglorified his [c]Servant Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him. 14 But ye denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted unto you, 15 and killed the [d]Prince of life; whom God raised from the dead; [e]whereof we are witnesses. 16 And [f]by faith in his name hath his name made this man strong, whom ye behold and know: yea, the faith which is through him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all. 17 And now, brethren, I know that in ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers. 18 But the things which God foreshowed by the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ should suffer, he thus fulfilled. 19 Repent ye therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that so there may come seasons of refreshing from the presence of the Lord; 20 and that he may send the Christ who hath been appointed for you, even Jesus: 21 whom the heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, whereof God spake by the mouth of his holy prophets that have been from of old. 22 Moses indeed said, [g]A prophet shall the Lord God raise up unto you from among your brethren, [h]like unto me; to him shall ye hearken in all things whatsoever he shall speak unto you. 23 And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people. 24 Yea and all the prophets from Samuel and them that followed after, as many as have spoken, they also told of these days. 25 Ye are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God [j]made with your fathers, saying unto Abraham, [k]And in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. 26 Unto you first God, having raised up his [l]Servant, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.


This is worth a read https://www.hprweb.com/2015/08/reflections-on-the-glorification-of-jesus-in-the-gospel-of-john/
 

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The indwelling of the Apostles happened between the Resurrection and Pentecost in John 20.

We are indwelt when we become new creation.

"The indwelling of the Holy spirit is the action by which God takes up permanent residence in the body of a believer in Jesus Christ. In the Old Testament, the spirit would come and go from the saints, empowering them for service but not necessarily remaining with them (see Judges 15:14; 1 Chronicles 12:18; Psalm 51:11; Ezekiel 11:5). Jesus revealed to His disciples the new role the spirit of Truth would play in their lives: “He lives with you and will be in you” (John 14:17). The apostle Paul wrote, “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? For you are bought with a price; thereforeglorify God in your body” (1 Corinthians 6:19–20)." https://www.gotquestions.org/indwelling-of-the-Holy-Spirit.html


Now, texts related to the Filling of the spirit which we should ask for daily along with walking in the spirit Romans 8.


Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb.

Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit;

Luke 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying,

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, as the spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit[b/], said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders,

Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken wherein they were gathered together; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

Acts 9:17 And Ananias departed, and entered into the house; and laying his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, who appeared unto thee in the way which thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mayest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Spirit.

Acts 13:9 But Saul, who is also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, fastened his eyes on him,

Acts 13:52 And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.

Romans 15:13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunken with wine, wherein is riot, but be filled with the Spirit;

Deuteronomy 34:9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon/b] him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as Jehovah commanded Moses.

Ezekiel 37:1 The hand of Jehovah was upon/b] me, and he brought me out in the spirit of Jehovah, and set me down in the midst of the valley; and it was full of bones.

Micah 3:8 But as for me, I am full of power by the spirit of Jehovah, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.

Luke 4:1 And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan, and was led in the spirit in the wilderness

Acts 6:3 Look ye out therefore, brethren, from among you seven men of good report, full of the spirit and of wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.

Acts 6:5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolaus a proselyte of Antioch;

Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw theglory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Acts 11:24 for he was a good man, and full of the Holy spirit and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord.

Acts 17:16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was provoked within him as he beheld the city full of idols.

Romans 15:19 in the power of signs and wonders, in the power of the Holy Spirit; so that from Jerusalem, and round about even unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ;

Numbers 11:26 But there remained two men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon/b] them; and they were of them that were written, but had not gone out unto the Tent; and they prophesied in the camp.

Numbers 11:29 And Moses said unto him, Art thou jealous for my sake? would that all Jehovah’s people were prophets, that Jehovah would put his spirit upon/b] them!

Numbers 16:22 And they fell upon/b] their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?

Numbers 24:2 And Balaam lifted up his eyes, and he saw Israel dwelling according to their tribes; and the spirit of God came upon/b] him.

Numbers 27:18 And Jehovah said unto Moses, Take thee Joshua the son of Nun, a man in whom is the Spirit, and lay thy hand upon/b] him;

Deuteronomy 34:9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon/b] him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as Jehovah commanded Moses.

Judges 3:10 And the spirit of Jehovah came upon/b] him, and he judged Israel; and he went out to war, and Jehovah delivered Cushan-rishathaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand: and his hand prevailed against Cushan-rishathaim.

Judges 6:34 But the spirit of Jehovah came upon/b] Gideon; and he blew a trumpet; and Abiezer was gathered together after him.

Judges 11:29 Then the spirit of Jehovah came upon/b] Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon.

Judges 14:6 And the spirit of Jehovah came mightily upon/b] him, and he rent him as he would have rent a kid; and he had nothing in his hand: but he told not his father or his mother what he had done.

Judges 14:19 And the spirit of Jehovah came mightily upon/b] him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and smote thirty men of them, and took their spoil, and gave the changes of raiment unto them that declared the riddle. And his anger was kindled, and he went up to his father’s house.

Judges 15:14 When he came unto Lehi, the Philistines shouted as they met him: and the spirit of Jehovah came mightily upon/b] him, and the ropes that were upon/b] his arms became as flax that was burnt with fire, and his bands dropped from off his hands.

1 Samuel 10:6 and the spirit of Jehovah will come mightily upon/b] thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.

1 Samuel 10:10 And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a band of prophets met him; and the spirit of God came mightily upon/b] him, and he prophesied among them.

1 Samuel 11:6 And the spirit of God came mightily upon/b] Saul when he heard those words, and his anger was kindled greatly.

1 Samuel 16:13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the spirit of Jehovah came mightily upon/b] David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.

1 Samuel 19:9 And an evil spirit from Jehovah was upon/b] Saul, as he sat in his house with his spear in his hand; and David was playing with his hand.

1 Samuel 19:20 And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing as head over them, the spirit of God came upon/b] the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied.

1 Samuel 19:23 And he went thither to Naioth in Ramah: and the spirit of God came upon/b] him also, and he went on, and prophesied, until he came to Naioth in Ramah.

2 Samuel 23:2 The spirit of Jehovah spake by me, And his word was upon/b] my tongue.

2 Kings 2:9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I am taken from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon/b] me.

2 Kings 2:16 And they said unto him, Behold now, there are with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master, lest the spirit of Jehovah hath taken him up, and cast him upon/b] some mountain, or into some valley. And he said, Ye shall not send.

1 Chronicles 12:18 Then the spirit came upon/b] Amasai, who was chief of the thirty, and he said, Thine are we, David, and on thy side, thou son of Jesse: peace, peace be unto thee, and peace be to thy helpers; for thy God helpeth thee. Then David received them, and made them captains of the band.