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Should non-citizens... illegals of USA be able to vote and decide an American Citizens Constitution


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cobalt1959

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#81
Blame it on the DNA Labs.
You like to just pop those false dichotomy's out there, don't you?

DNA labs control people's DNA?

A person's DNA is controlled only by their birth parents. If you are born half Hispanic and half Jewish because one parent was Hispanic and one parent was a Jew, that is your genetics. Some DNA lab has nothing to do with that.

How old are you?
 

TabinRivCA

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#82
You like to just pop those false dichotomy's out there, don't you?

DNA labs control people's DNA?

A person's DNA is controlled only by their birth parents. If you are born half Hispanic and half Jewish because one parent was Hispanic and one parent was a Jew, that is your genetics. Some DNA lab has nothing to do with that.

How old are you?
eternal, but I don't look my age
 

cobalt1959

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#83
It doesn’t need to be clear. #45 has had a lot of shady statements, been hailing shady characters, been overall shady in his description of a grand wizard, he has suggested that law enforcers will resort to violence and by that violate the Constitution, he’s been shady about the truth, and etc etc etc.

You are free to be in denial about this, but what occurs to me as being your biased opinion can’t change that he, in fact, has done many things that are shady, at best.

The question is: why is it okay that he is acting the part of a thug when it obviously isn’t okay when others do?
Just the fact that you feel the need to refer to Trump as "#45" clearly reveals your bias. You're one of those Facebook activists that think you can change the course of history by refusing to refer to him as the president.

I didn't vote for him.

I don't support him.

But since I have been blessed by God to exist on His ball of dirt for 59 years, I am wise enough to know that Trump is neither the savior, or the devil incarnate that either invested side attempts to paint him.

And if you are on the Liberal side, it doesn't matter who is the White House. If you have adopted a Liberal worldview, or support it in any way, you place yourself in complete opposition to God.
 

cobalt1959

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#84
eternal, but I don't look my age
I have no problem stating my age and no one, who is both a Christian, and is not ashamed of their biblical positions should have a problem stating theirs either. I am 59.

You are not eternal until after your present body dies. You are eternal positionally, either fallen or redeemed, but not physically.
 
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Susanna

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Just the fact that you feel the need to refer to Trump as "#45" clearly reveals your bias. You're one of those Facebook activists that think you can change the course of history by refusing to refer to him as the president.

I didn't vote for him.

I don't support him.

But since I have been blessed by God to exist on His ball of dirt for 59 years, I am wise enough to know that Trump is neither the savior, or the devil incarnate that either invested side attempts to paint him.

And if you are on the Liberal side, it doesn't matter who is the White House. If you have adopted a Liberal worldview, or support it in any way, you place yourself in complete opposition to God.
I refer to his predecessor as #44 etc.

I did vote for him, and I did support him. I’m very disappointed in him and what he promised but didn’t even try to accomplish. He’s directing all the attention to the WALL. He’s just the usual pickpocketing Republican.

Don’t call me a Facebook activist. I’ve done my fair share for this country and will keep doing so to the day I can no more. I just expected him to keep his promises.
 

PennEd

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#86
I refer to his predecessor as #44 etc.

I did vote for him, and I did support him. I’m very disappointed in him and what he promised but didn’t even try to accomplish. He’s directing all the attention to the WALL. He’s just the usual pickpocketing Republican.

Don’t call me a Facebook activist. I’ve done my fair share for this country and will keep doing so to the day I can no more. I just expected him to keep his promises.
I remember in June of 2016 having dinner with friends saying I don't see how I could vote for this guy. Obviously I could never vote democrat, as both their candidate and platform were pure evil. So considered 3rd party or abstaining.

As the election drew near however, it became apparent that I had to vote for him, as the wicked media, the platforms of both parties, what Trump said he was going to do, and the utter disgust of the Dem candidate drove me to vote Trump. Now, my whole life politicians, with the possible exception of Reagan, promised things only to get elected. So, between his low moral character, and the fact that politicians lie, I was NOT expecting much, and certainly not good things from Trump.

I am ASTONISHED at what he HAS done in just a couple of yrs. In my view surpassing Reagan as the greatest President of my lifetime.

That is why i am truly befuddled by your statement. You are either lying about voting and supporting him, or are ignorant of exactly what he has been able to accomplish with very little Republican help and treasonous behavior by both Democrats and the media.

I'll link an article detailing a lot of them, but I'll highlight a couple off the top of my head;

* First thing he did, I believe on day one, was pull abortion funding to foreign nations.

* Scrapped Obama Gov web page on Global Warming, and then proceeded to withdraw from the awful Paris climate accords.

* Not one, but TWO excellent supreme court appointments.

* Scores of excellent appellate judge appointments.

* Forcing China to negotiate fair trade agreements

* Lowering corporate tax rate. This one is HUGE because it directly relates to our awesome economy. Companies are not only giving out raises and bonuses, but are no longer shipping most new jobs overseas.
* Lowering personal income taxes. Yes this HAS benefited most WORKING Americans.

* Full throated, accompanied by action, support of Israel, including moving our embassy to Jerusalem. Something every President promised, but failed to do.

* Almost the COMPLETE destruction of ISIS. Think about that Susanna. Get's almost no press, yet is GIGANTIC!!!!!!

* The LOWEST unemployment for Black and Latino Americans EVER RECORDED.

Ya know what I'll just copy and paste from the article. You may say "well what about the swamp" He has furiously drained as much as can. Getting rid of some of the biggest swamp dwellers.

From the Washington Examiner

Economic Growth
  • 4.2 percent growth in the second quarter of 2018.
  • For the first time in more than a decade, growth is projected to exceed 3 percent over the calendar year.

Jobs
  • 4 million new jobs have been created since the election, and more than 3.5 million since Trump took office.
  • More Americans are employed now than ever before in our history.
  • Jobless claims at lowest level in nearly five decades.
  • The economy has achieved the longest positive job-growth streak on record.
  • Job openings are at an all-time high and outnumber job seekers for the first time on record.
  • Unemployment claims at 50 year low
  • African-American, Hispanic, and Asian-American unemployment rates have all recently reached record lows.
    • African-American unemployment hit a record low of 5.9 percent in May 2018.
    • Hispanic unemployment at 4.5 percent.
    • Asian-American unemployment at record low of 2 percent.
  • Women’s unemployment recently at lowest rate in nearly 65 years.
    • Female unemployment dropped to 3.6 percent in May 2018, the lowest since October 1953.
  • Youth unemployment recently reached its lowest level in more than 50 years.
    • July 2018’s youth unemployment rate of 9.2 percent was the lowest since July 1966.
  • Veterans’ unemployment recently hit its lowest level in nearly two decades.
    • July 2018’s veterans’ unemployment rate of 3.0 percent matched the lowest rate since May 2001.
  • Unemployment rate for Americans without a high school diploma recently reached a record low.
  • Rate for disabled Americans recently hit a record low.
  • Blue-collar jobs recently grew at the fastest rate in more than three decades.
  • Poll found that 85 percent of blue-collar workers believe their lives are headed “in the right direction.”
    • 68 percent reported receiving a pay increase in the past year.
  • Last year, job satisfaction among American workers hit its highest level since 2005.
  • Nearly two-thirds of Americans rate now as a good time to find a quality job.
    • Optimism about the availability of good jobs has grown by 25 percent.
  • Added more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since the election.
    • Manufacturing employment is growing at its fastest pace in more than two decades.
  • 100,000 new jobs supporting the production & transport of oil & natural gas.

American Income
  • Median household income rose to $61,372 in 2017, a post-recession high.
  • Wages up in August by their fastest rate since June 2009.
  • Paychecks rose by 3.3 percent between 2016 and 2017, the most in a decade.
  • Council of Economic Advisers found that real wage compensation has grown by 1.4 percent over the past year.
  • Some 3.9 million Americans off food stamps since the election.
  • Median income for Hispanic-Americans rose by 3.7 percent and surpassed $50,000 for the first time ever in history.
    • Home-ownership among Hispanics is at the highest rate in nearly a decade.
  • Poverty rates for African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans have reached their lowest levels ever recorded.
American Optimism
  • Small business optimism has hit historic highs.
    • NFIB’s small business optimism index broke a 35 year-old record in August.
    • SurveyMonkey/CNBC’s small business confidence survey for Q3 of 2018 matched its all-time high.
  • Manufacturers are more confident than ever.
    • 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future, the highest ever.
  • Consumer confidence is at an 18-year high.
  • 12 percent of Americans rate the economy as the most significant problem facing our country, the lowest level on record.
  • Confidence in the economy is near a two-decade high, with 51 percent rating the economy as good or excellent.

American Business
  • Investment is flooding back into the United States due to the tax cuts.
    • Over $450 billion dollars has already poured back into the U.S., including more than $300 billion in the first quarter of 2018.
  • Retail sales have surged. Commerce Department figures from August show that retail sales increased 0.5 percent in July 2018, an increase of 6.4 percent from July 2017.
  • ISM’s index of manufacturing scored its highest reading in 14 years.
  • Worker productivity is the highest it has been in more than three years.
  • Steel and aluminum producers are re-opening.
  • Dow Jones Industrial Average, S&P 500, and NASDAQ have all notched record highs.
    • Dow hit record highs 70 times in 2017 alone, the most ever recorded in one year.

Deregulation
  • Achieved massive deregulation at a rapid pace, completing 22 deregulatory actions to every one regulatory action during his first year in office.
  • Signed legislation to roll back costly and harmful provisions of Dodd-Frank, providing relief to credit unions, and community and regional banks.
  • Federal agencies achieved more than $8 billion in lifetime net regulatory cost savings.
  • Rolled back Obama’s burdensome Waters of the U.S. rule.
  • Used the Congressional Review Act to repeal regulations more times than in history.

Tax Cuts
  • Biggest tax cuts and reforms in American history by signing the Tax Cuts and Jobs act into law
    • Provided more than $5.5 trillion in gross tax cuts, nearly 60 percent of which will go to families.
    • Increased the exemption for the death tax to help save Family Farms & Small Business.
    • Nearly doubled the standard deduction for individuals and families.
    • Enabled vast majority of American families will be able to file their taxes on a single page by claiming the standard deduction.
    • Doubled the child tax credit to help lessen the financial burden of raising a family.
    • Lowered America’s corporate tax rate from the highest in the developed world to allow American businesses to compete and win.
    • Small businesses can now deduct 20 percent of their business income.
    • Cut dozens of special interest tax breaks and closed loopholes for the wealthy.
  • 9 in 10 American workers are expected see an increase in their paychecks thanks to the tax cuts, according to the Treasury Department.
  • More than 6 million of American workers have received wage increases, bonuses, and increased benefits thanks to tax cuts.
  • Over 100 utility companies have lowered electric, gas, or water rates thanks to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.
  • Ernst & Young found 89 percent of companies planned to increase worker compensation thanks to the Trump tax cuts.
  • Established opportunity zones to spur investment in left behind communities.
 
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Susanna

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I remember in June of 2016 having dinner with friends saying I don't see how I could vote for this guy. Obviously I could never vote democrat, as both their candidate and platform were pure evil. So considered 3rd party or abstaining.

As the election drew near however, it became apparent that I had to vote for him, as the wicked media, the platforms of both parties, what Trump said he was going to do, and the utter disgust of the Dem candidate drove me to vote Trump. Now, my whole life politicians, with the possible exception of Reagan, promised things only to get elected. So, between his low moral character, and the fact that politicians lie, I was NOT expecting much, and certainly not good things from Trump.

I am ASTONISHED at what he HAS done in just a couple of yrs. In my view surpassing Reagan as the greatest President of my lifetime.

That is why i am truly befuddled by your statement. You are either lying about voting and supporting him, or are ignorant of exactly what he has been able to accomplish with very little Republican help and treasonous behavior by both Democrats and the media.

I'll link an article detailing a lot of them, but I'll highlight a couple off the top of my head;

* First thing he did, I believe on day one, was pull abortion funding to foreign nations.

* Scrapped Obama Gov web page on Global Warming, and then proceeded to withdraw from the awful Paris climate accords.

* Not one, but TWO excellent supreme court appointments.

* Scores of excellent appellate judge appointments.

* Forcing China to negotiate fair trade agreements

* Lowering corporate tax rate. This one is HUGE because it directly relates to our awesome economy. Companies are not only giving out raises and bonuses, but are no longer shipping most new jobs overseas.
* Lowering personal income taxes. Yes this HAS benefited most WORKING Americans.

* Full throated, accompanied by action, support of Israel, including moving our embassy to Jerusalem. Something every President promised, but failed to do.

* Almost the COMPLETE destruction of ISIS. Think about that Susanna. Get's almost no press, yet is GIGANTIC!!!!!!

* The LOWEST unemployment for Black and Latino Americans EVER RECORDED.

Ya know what I'll just copy and paste from the article. You may say "well what about the swamp" He has furiously drained as much as can. Getting rid of some of the biggest swamp dwellers.

From the Washington Examiner

Economic Growth
  • 4.2 percent growth in the second quarter of 2018.
  • For the first time in more than a decade, growth is projected to exceed 3 percent over the calendar year.

Jobs
  • 4 million new jobs have been created since the election, and more than 3.5 million since Trump took office.
  • More Americans are employed now than ever before in our history.
  • Jobless claims at lowest level in nearly five decades.
  • The economy has achieved the longest positive job-growth streak on record.
  • Job openings are at an all-time high and outnumber job seekers for the first time on record.
  • Unemployment claims at 50 year low
  • African-American, Hispanic, and Asian-American unemployment rates have all recently reached record lows.
    • African-American unemployment hit a record low of 5.9 percent in May 2018.
    • Hispanic unemployment at 4.5 percent.
    • Asian-American unemployment at record low of 2 percent.
  • Women’s unemployment recently at lowest rate in nearly 65 years.
    • Female unemployment dropped to 3.6 percent in May 2018, the lowest since October 1953.
  • Youth unemployment recently reached its lowest level in more than 50 years.
    • July 2018’s youth unemployment rate of 9.2 percent was the lowest since July 1966.
  • Veterans’ unemployment recently hit its lowest level in nearly two decades.
    • July 2018’s veterans’ unemployment rate of 3.0 percent matched the lowest rate since May 2001.
  • Unemployment rate for Americans without a high school diploma recently reached a record low.
  • Rate for disabled Americans recently hit a record low.
  • Blue-collar jobs recently grew at the fastest rate in more than three decades.
  • Poll found that 85 percent of blue-collar workers believe their lives are headed “in the right direction.”
    • 68 percent reported receiving a pay increase in the past year.
  • Last year, job satisfaction among American workers hit its highest level since 2005.
  • Nearly two-thirds of Americans rate now as a good time to find a quality job.
    • Optimism about the availability of good jobs has grown by 25 percent.
  • Added more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since the election.
    • Manufacturing employment is growing at its fastest pace in more than two decades.
  • 100,000 new jobs supporting the production & transport of oil & natural gas.

American Income
  • Median household income rose to $61,372 in 2017, a post-recession high.
  • Wages up in August by their fastest rate since June 2009.
  • Paychecks rose by 3.3 percent between 2016 and 2017, the most in a decade.
  • Council of Economic Advisers found that real wage compensation has grown by 1.4 percent over the past year.
  • Some 3.9 million Americans off food stamps since the election.
  • Median income for Hispanic-Americans rose by 3.7 percent and surpassed $50,000 for the first time ever in history.
    • Home-ownership among Hispanics is at the highest rate in nearly a decade.
  • Poverty rates for African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans have reached their lowest levels ever recorded.
American Optimism
  • Small business optimism has hit historic highs.
    • NFIB’s small business optimism index broke a 35 year-old record in August.
    • SurveyMonkey/CNBC’s small business confidence survey for Q3 of 2018 matched its all-time high.
  • Manufacturers are more confident than ever.
    • 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future, the highest ever.
  • Consumer confidence is at an 18-year high.
  • 12 percent of Americans rate the economy as the most significant problem facing our country, the lowest level on record.
  • Confidence in the economy is near a two-decade high, with 51 percent rating the economy as good or excellent.

American Business
  • Investment is flooding back into the United States due to the tax cuts.
    • Over $450 billion dollars has already poured back into the U.S., including more than $300 billion in the first quarter of 2018.
  • Retail sales have surged. Commerce Department figures from August show that retail sales increased 0.5 percent in July 2018, an increase of 6.4 percent from July 2017.
  • ISM’s index of manufacturing scored its highest reading in 14 years.
  • Worker productivity is the highest it has been in more than three years.
  • Steel and aluminum producers are re-opening.
  • Dow Jones Industrial Average, S&P 500, and NASDAQ have all notched record highs.
    • Dow hit record highs 70 times in 2017 alone, the most ever recorded in one year.

Deregulation
  • Achieved massive deregulation at a rapid pace, completing 22 deregulatory actions to every one regulatory action during his first year in office.
  • Signed legislation to roll back costly and harmful provisions of Dodd-Frank, providing relief to credit unions, and community and regional banks.
  • Federal agencies achieved more than $8 billion in lifetime net regulatory cost savings.
  • Rolled back Obama’s burdensome Waters of the U.S. rule.
  • Used the Congressional Review Act to repeal regulations more times than in history.

Tax Cuts
  • Biggest tax cuts and reforms in American history by signing the Tax Cuts and Jobs act into law
    • Provided more than $5.5 trillion in gross tax cuts, nearly 60 percent of which will go to families.
    • Increased the exemption for the death tax to help save Family Farms & Small Business.
    • Nearly doubled the standard deduction for individuals and families.
    • Enabled vast majority of American families will be able to file their taxes on a single page by claiming the standard deduction.
    • Doubled the child tax credit to help lessen the financial burden of raising a family.
    • Lowered America’s corporate tax rate from the highest in the developed world to allow American businesses to compete and win.
    • Small businesses can now deduct 20 percent of their business income.
    • Cut dozens of special interest tax breaks and closed loopholes for the wealthy.
  • 9 in 10 American workers are expected see an increase in their paychecks thanks to the tax cuts, according to the Treasury Department.
  • More than 6 million of American workers have received wage increases, bonuses, and increased benefits thanks to tax cuts.
  • Over 100 utility companies have lowered electric, gas, or water rates thanks to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.
  • Ernst & Young found 89 percent of companies planned to increase worker compensation thanks to the Trump tax cuts.
  • Established opportunity zones to spur investment in left behind communities.
I haven’t got time for a full response now, but I have to point out a few things.

ISIS destroyed? I hate to break this to you, but that’s simply not true. Even the POTUS himself admits that now. We have to finish the job! If we don’t they’ll just regroup and we’re back to start. Never give them an inch. You’ll encourage the enemy in doing so. Luckily he has lately been listening to the sound advice offered him by the national security advisers.
 

cobalt1959

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I refer to his predecessor as #44 etc.

I did vote for him, and I did support him. I’m very disappointed in him and what he promised but didn’t even try to accomplish. He’s directing all the attention to the WALL. He’s just the usual pickpocketing Republican.

Don’t call me a Facebook activist. I’ve done my fair share for this country and will keep doing so to the day I can no more. I just expected him to keep his promises.
He has a very good reason for concentrating on the wall, and unless someone is living, or has lived in a Southwestern state such as Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, or California, one cannot understand why this is such a serious issue. As a former native of Arizona, I can. The lower third of these states, especially New Mexico and Arizona have become areas occupied by hostile forces. These areas are now festooned with warning signs that U.S. citizens should enter them at their own risk due to the activities of illegal aliens, smugglers, drug dealers, etc. If I wanted to take a hike in Organ Pipe National Monument, I would surely need to take a firearm and I would probably be wise in just not taking it at all.

As for your last paragraph, I am under no compulsion to take orders from you. If you do not want to be compared to a Facebook activist, stop acting like one. When you attach a number to a president, whether it is Obama, or Trump, or Washington, you fail the Biblical standard of respect to our chosen leaders. You can make an excuse for that, or try to rationalize it, but that does not change the negative aspect of the behavior, biblically. Doing so is wrong, whether you wish to acknowledge that or not, and every time you do it, I will point out the error, and inadvisability of doing so. You can either accept that, or alter the bad behavior to fit more with biblical guidelines.
 

cobalt1959

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I am ASTONISHED at what he HAS done in just a couple of yrs. In my view surpassing Reagan as the greatest President of my lifetime.
Trump couldn't match Reagan with a 4 year head start. Reagan knew how to govern. Reagan knew how to lead. Trump knows how to whip people into an emotional frenzy and then tap into that frenzy, but that hardly makes him a leader. Reagan didn't need to do that. He touched people's hearts. Trump doesn't touch people's hearts, he creates breathless fanboys by manipulating their emotions. That is not leadership by any stretch of the imagination.

The upswing in the economy has not been created by anything that Trump has actually done. The "tax cuts" worked for some, while others, not so much. Trump, so far, has completely failed on one of his first and most hyped campaign promises:

Repealing the Affordable Care Act.

Unless I somehow missed it's repeal, the ACA is still this giant albatross wrapped around America's neck. Until he keeps his promise in regards to the ACA, Trump is a failure. He is also a liar. When you promise to do something, and then do not do it, you are a liar.

Stopping funding for abortions in foreign counties does nothing to save infants being aborted here in the U.S., so you'll surely understand if I do not throw a party for Trump over something he's failed to stop in America.

No doubt you have a convenient Copy & Paste response to my post like your above post . . .

Trump is not some kind of spiritually-ordained savior. He's just your run-of-the-mill politician. And he has so far failed to do most of what he originally promised to do.
 

NayborBear

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
#90
He has a very good reason for concentrating on the wall, and unless someone is living, or has lived in a Southwestern state such as Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, or California, one cannot understand why this is such a serious issue. As a former native of Arizona, I can. The lower third of these states, especially New Mexico and Arizona have become areas occupied by hostile forces. These areas are now festooned with warning signs that U.S. citizens should enter them at their own risk due to the activities of illegal aliens, smugglers, drug dealers, etc. If I wanted to take a hike in Organ Pipe National Monument, I would surely need to take a firearm and I would probably be wise in just not taking it at all.

As for your last paragraph, I am under no compulsion to take orders from you. If you do not want to be compared to a Facebook activist, stop acting like one. When you attach a number to a president, whether it is Obama, or Trump, or Washington, you fail the Biblical standard of respect to our chosen leaders. You can make an excuse for that, or try to rationalize it, but that does not change the negative aspect of the behavior, biblically. Doing so is wrong, whether you wish to acknowledge that or not, and every time you do it, I will point out the error, and inadvisability of doing so. You can either accept that, or alter the bad behavior to fit more with biblical guidelines.
At one time Cobalt, the American government actually shut down immigration completely!
T'was sometime after WWII, when the flow just got too heavy to adequately handle the numbers coming in.

It takes time for an immigrant population to assimilate to a new country! That is, should their intentions be to assimilate! And, this is what's currently happening at the southern border. Not that there has never been a problem before now. But, the last president's apology tour? Merely gave more hope for immigrants to just come on in, and bring YOUR country's flag WITH ya!

Heck! Let's just tear down all the walls and barriers at the southern border!
This country's toast!

That's what the liberals want!
The problem is? Is that the liberals aren't going to like what happens next!
And, then they'll be SCREAMING and CRYING about THAT!
It'll BE TOO LATE to do ANYTHING about it by then though!


When people forget "HIS-Story?" They CONDEMN themselves into REPEATING it! UNfortunately! :cry:
 

cobalt1959

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At one time Cobalt, the American government actually shut down immigration completely!
T'was sometime after WWII, when the flow just got too heavy to adequately handle the numbers coming in.

It takes time for an immigrant population to assimilate to a new country! That is, should their intentions be to assimilate! And, this is what's currently happening at the southern border. Not that there has never been a problem before now. But, the last president's apology tour? Merely gave more hope for immigrants to just come on in, and bring YOUR country's flag WITH ya!

Heck! Let's just tear down all the walls and barriers at the southern border!
This country's toast!

That's what the liberals want!
The problem is? Is that the liberals aren't going to like what happens next!
And, then they'll be SCREAMING and CRYING about THAT!
It'll BE TOO LATE to do ANYTHING about it by then though!


When people forget "HIS-Story?" They CONDEMN themselves into REPEATING it! UNfortunately! :cry:
Your post didn't actually deal with anything I said, and I have a very hard time taking anything seriously from someone who has an avatar of Nuns with guns.
 

PennEd

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#93
Trump couldn't match Reagan with a 4 year head start. Reagan knew how to govern. Reagan knew how to lead. Trump knows how to whip people into an emotional frenzy and then tap into that frenzy, but that hardly makes him a leader. Reagan didn't need to do that. He touched people's hearts. Trump doesn't touch people's hearts, he creates breathless fanboys by manipulating their emotions. That is not leadership by any stretch of the imagination.

The upswing in the economy has not been created by anything that Trump has actually done. The "tax cuts" worked for some, while others, not so much. Trump, so far, has completely failed on one of his first and most hyped campaign promises:

Repealing the Affordable Care Act.

Unless I somehow missed it's repeal, the ACA is still this giant albatross wrapped around America's neck. Until he keeps his promise in regards to the ACA, Trump is a failure. He is also a liar. When you promise to do something, and then do not do it, you are a liar.

Stopping funding for abortions in foreign counties does nothing to save infants being aborted here in the U.S., so you'll surely understand if I do not throw a party for Trump over something he's failed to stop in America.

No doubt you have a convenient Copy & Paste response to my post like your above post . . .

Trump is not some kind of spiritually-ordained savior. He's just your run-of-the-mill politician. And he has so far failed to do most of what he originally promised to do.
No need to copy and paste. YOU said it, therefore it HAS to be true!

Something about steering clear of bitter, divisive people comes to mind... Carry on!
 

calibob

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#94
Ugggh! from California to the Gulf of Mexico all of the states along the border were Mexico. The border is as offensive as Indian Reservations. Rather than sending my son to Quait to fight for the oil companies I would rather have him sent south to fight the narco terrorists. The results would be quick, direct and certain. They have oil, opium and relatives here too. Why are we so quick to defend Pakistan and Africa and ignore our needy neighbors? The United States is a nation of immigrants. Let's never forget it.
 

cobalt1959

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No need to copy and paste. YOU said it, therefore it HAS to be true!

Something about steering clear of bitter, divisive people comes to mind... Carry on!
You did the exact same thing, but it's OK when you do it, right?

What you are actually saying is that you couldn't adequately deal with my points so you abandon a real response. Then you toss in the de rigueur half biblical swipe because you had nothing to counter with. Tiredly cliche and predictable. The same protocol that all fanboys follow.
 

PennEd

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You did the exact same thing, but it's OK when you do it, right?

What you are actually saying is that you couldn't adequately deal with my points so you abandon a real response. Then you toss in the de rigueur half biblical swipe because you had nothing to counter with. Tiredly cliche and predictable. The same protocol that all fanboys follow.
Bitter much?
Comprehension skilz son.

I said IN MY VIEW. This automatically designates what I said as opinion.
 
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Susanna

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He has a very good reason for concentrating on the wall, and unless someone is living, or has lived in a Southwestern state such as Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, or California, one cannot understand why this is such a serious issue. As a former native of Arizona, I can. The lower third of these states, especially New Mexico and Arizona have become areas occupied by hostile forces. These areas are now festooned with warning signs that U.S. citizens should enter them at their own risk due to the activities of illegal aliens, smugglers, drug dealers, etc. If I wanted to take a hike in Organ Pipe National Monument, I would surely need to take a firearm and I would probably be wise in just not taking it at all.

As for your last paragraph, I am under no compulsion to take orders from you. If you do not want to be compared to a Facebook activist, stop acting like one. When you attach a number to a president, whether it is Obama, or Trump, or Washington, you fail the Biblical standard of respect to our chosen leaders. You can make an excuse for that, or try to rationalize it, but that does not change the negative aspect of the behavior, biblically. Doing so is wrong, whether you wish to acknowledge that or not, and every time you do it, I will point out the error, and inadvisability of doing so. You can either accept that, or alter the bad behavior to fit more with biblical guidelines.
The reason why I’m referring to them by numbers is because I don’t want my posts connected to powerful peoples names. It has nothing to do with being disrespectful.
 
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Trump couldn't match Reagan with a 4 year head start. Reagan knew how to govern. Reagan knew how to lead. Trump knows how to whip people into an emotional frenzy and then tap into that frenzy, but that hardly makes him a leader. Reagan didn't need to do that. He touched people's hearts. Trump doesn't touch people's hearts, he creates breathless fanboys by manipulating their emotions. That is not leadership by any stretch of the imagination.

The upswing in the economy has not been created by anything that Trump has actually done. The "tax cuts" worked for some, while others, not so much. Trump, so far, has completely failed on one of his first and most hyped campaign promises:

Repealing the Affordable Care Act.

Unless I somehow missed it's repeal, the ACA is still this giant albatross wrapped around America's neck. Until he keeps his promise in regards to the ACA, Trump is a failure. He is also a liar. When you promise to do something, and then do not do it, you are a liar.

Stopping funding for abortions in foreign counties does nothing to save infants being aborted here in the U.S., so you'll surely understand if I do not throw a party for Trump over something he's failed to stop in America.

No doubt you have a convenient Copy & Paste response to my post like your above post . . .

Trump is not some kind of spiritually-ordained savior. He's just your run-of-the-mill politician. And he has so far failed to do most of what he originally promised to do.
I may have to change my mind about your point of view. You make some good points.
 

crossnote

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No and it has never been proved anyone voted illegally or for sure they would have been tared and feathered. Yes I would vote for a Dem, say like Pres Jimmy Carter, who was more decent than many candidates nowadays. The hate groups are spreading even to elementary schools, very disturbing. God is love and that is the opposite. Have you ever went on one of those 'hate group' websites and they are serious, God help them and anyone they want to target, also.
God is love, that is why He gave the Sword to governments and will one day return with a sword...those governments which refuse to use the sword (like stopping illegal immigration) are only doing a disservice to their nation.

Romans 13:4 NKJV
[4] For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

Revelation 19:11-15 NKJV
[11] Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. [12] His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. [13] He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. [14] And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. [15] Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.