gays and heaven

Practicing is the key word. Resisting is another. A person resisting may fail. One practicing sin is not surrendered to the lordship of Christ.

To clarify, since no one is born gay, it seems logical to conclude that God didn't make anyone gay, nor does He want them gay.

We are all sinners.
Without Christ, I am a foul tempered anti social, drunken, brawler, and whoremonger among other nasty things. Thanks be to my Lord Jesus Christ, who makes me the dedicated husband of one wife, a father, a peace maker, who loves his brothers and sisters in Christ, and the lost as well, and a seeker of righteousness.

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

I agree with you Pony. We used to live that way. The closer we get to God He starts removing all our vile behaviors that we once lived in. We start to be sanctified when we follow Gods words. We no longer are whoremongers, brawlers, drunkards, etc.

It is God through His Holy Spirit that begins to purify us and work on us. He who started the work is faithful to finish. So if someone was practicing gay behaviors that will cease. Some sins are easier to quit cold turkey than others. Some sins take time and alot of prayer and getting deep in the word. This walk is not easy but it is possible for those who submit themselves and yield completely to God. Baby steps. Nothing happens overnight.

But we must hate sin and have a willing heart that wants to change. If you just want to keep living in sin, then you cannot say you are living for Christ. Thats a lie. You wouldnt want to be practicing foul acts if you seek to honor God. Children of God obey their Father.

Well, people who know me here know I believe the Holy Spirit convicts and we repent and turn from sin. I suppose some wouldn't know that if they are new.

No!!!

• "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1Cor 6.9-10);
• "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;" (1Tim 1.9,10).
  
  

paul states if a person is openly immoral and claims to be a christian do not even eat with him, yes we all struggle but there are people in the world that by their very nature are sinless, i know a young feller in church because of wat he is will never sin, he has autism and is a complete innocent.

Christ's death on the cross was for all mankind. Not just some, ALL. Let's get that point straight first.

I Tim.2
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.



1Tim.4
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.


Romans 5

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.


1 John 2

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Hebrews 2:9

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

What about Romans 3:9-20?

paul was not talking about righteous people such a enoch and job but the condition of the world and the fallen state of men before they know christ. and there are exceptions, as the psalm says blessed is the man whose sin God doe not held against him and whose spirit is no deceit

I don't think Romans 3:9-20 leaves any room for exceptions. The Bible does refer to people as righteous, but not because they aren't sinners. When someone is saved, the righteousness of Christ is imputed to them. Positionally they are righteous, in practice they are not. Enoch, Job, me, you. We are all sinners.

There will only ever be one person born who was completely sinless. That would be our awesome Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ!

actually i have to strongly disagree, enoch was so righteous that he never saw death and Job was a man who never sinned, not to mention Noah whose righteousness saved the world, Joseph a man of integrity and Daniel a man highly esteemed

A Gay person can get to heaven, but it would be difficult if they never repent by living the gay life. e.g; Will a thief get to heaven while robbing a bank? hmm

Um,

Jesus said the only one who was good is God (himself)

No one was perfect.. Even Daniel confessed his sins

this discussion comes up in Job, i suggest u read it

I suggest you realise what sin is.

Yes Job was righteous/ it does not mean he was sinless

Jesus said ONLY GOD IS GOOD

If Job never sinned, He earned his salvation, thats not true.

i am not going to argue with u, just read Job, its all about the issues u are having thinking that no one can be righteous and all are sinners, and Jesus said he did not come for the righteous but sinners

Rom 3: 10, as it is written, there is no one righteous, no not even one!

Moving on

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

A Christian is no longer a thief, murderer, fornicator, drunkard.

For a Christian to identify with a lifestyle that the Holy Spirit says is an abomination is incomprehensible to the entire Christian World.

For anyone to teach that these types of lifestyles are ok for the Christian is also extremely wrong.


And to be clear I don't think Christians are ever perfectly sinless.
Christians sometimes make mistakes and lie, steal, get drunk, have sex with someone who isn't their spouse, but they aren't so proud of it that they say they are a Lying Christian, or a Drunk Christian, or Fornicating Christian.

They are a Christian that needs to turn from their own work and understanding and instead turn to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Like we all do.