gays and heaven

actually i have to strongly disagree, enoch was so righteous that he never saw death and Job was a man who never sinned, not to mention Noah whose righteousness saved the world, Joseph a man of integrity and Daniel a man highly esteemed

i am not going to argue with u, just read Job, its all about the issues u are having thinking that no one can be righteous and all are sinners, and Jesus said he did not come for the righteous but sinners

Christ's death on the cross was for all mankind. Not just some, ALL. Let's get that point straight first.

I Tim.2
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.



1Tim.4
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.


Romans 5

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.


1 John 2

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Hebrews 2:9

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

I don't think Romans 3:9-20 leaves any room for exceptions. The Bible does refer to people as righteous, but not because they aren't sinners. When someone is saved, the righteousness of Christ is imputed to them. Positionally they are righteous, in practice they are not. Enoch, Job, me, you. We are all sinners.

There will only ever be one person born who was completely sinless. That would be our awesome Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ!

actually i have to strongly disagree, enoch was so righteous that he never saw death and Job was a man who never sinned, not to mention Noah whose righteousness saved the world, Joseph a man of integrity and Daniel a man highly esteemed

will gay people get to heaven living a gay life style?

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

A Christian is no longer a thief, murderer, fornicator, drunkard.

For a Christian to identify with a lifestyle that the Holy Spirit says is an abomination is incomprehensible to the entire Christian World.

For anyone to teach that these types of lifestyles are ok for the Christian is also extremely wrong.


And to be clear I don't think Christians are ever perfectly sinless.
Christians sometimes make mistakes and lie, steal, get drunk, have sex with someone who isn't their spouse, but they aren't so proud of it that they say they are a Lying Christian, or a Drunk Christian, or Fornicating Christian.

They are a Christian that needs to turn from their own work and understanding and instead turn to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Like we all do.

First of all, you will have to explain John 6:38 to me where Jesus said that he only died for those that his Father gave him and he also said that he would raise them all up at the last day, without the loss of even one.


" For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me." Where does that say He died only for a few?

If Jesus died for all mankind, as you claim, then all mankind will live in heaven with him and I don't believe you believe that.


Yes, Jesus died for all mankind, the verses I posted says so, so you're calling God a liar. He shed his for all,for whosoever will. That doesn't mean all will accept Him. But the offer is to all! The Bible is clear.



Secondly, The "all men" and "the whole world" has reference to all men of the elect and the whole world of his elect.


1 John 2
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.





John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

This verse totally negates your false doctrine. It says whosoever!!

17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

John 12-47 “If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.


All those verses say He has come for the world. He is called the Light of the world! Anything else is false doctrine.

As far as someone living in sin, continually living a sinful lifestyle they will not see heaven. Period. The Bible also makes that clear.

The Greek definition of the word "world" in 1 John 2:2 has a reference to John 1:29 which is interpreted by Thayer's Greek interpretation as "used of believers only", also in the following verses, John 3:16, 3:17, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:19.

There will no gay people be in heaven.

There won't be any heterosexual people in heaven either.

THAT OF ALL "WHICH HE HATH GIVEN ME". I did not say that it was a few, but those his Father gave him. If God had given him all mankind, then all mankind will be in heaven and the scriptures will not condone that.

You just took part of my post. I said that there would be people in heaven who practiced the gay lifestyle, but would be changed in the twinkling of the eye when Christ comes back to collect his elect at the last day. There will be no kind of sin in heaven.

No, I posted verses that totally negate what you're saying. It's false doctrine. The Bible clearly states "whosoever will" and "the world", "all men". To say there are people today who cannot repent and cannot be saved is a lie from the pit of hell. Man made doctrine. The invitation is to all.

There will be no practicing gays in heaven. There will be gays who have repented and turned from their sins. No repentance, no heaven. Period.

No, I posted verses that totally negate what you're saying. It's false doctrine. The Bible clearly states "whosoever will" and "the world", "all men". To say there are people today who cannot repent and cannot be saved is a lie from the pit of hell. Man made doctrine. The invitation is to all.

No, I posted verses that totally negate what you're saying. It's false doctrine. The Bible clearly states "whosoever will" and "the world", "all men". To say there are people today who cannot repent and cannot be saved is a lie from the pit of hell. Man made doctrine. The invitation is to all.

You cannot ignore scriptures that you don't want to deal with or cannot explain. ALL scriptures must harmonize or you are not understanding the doctrine that Jesus taught.

No! You are ignoring Scriptures and replacing them with man made false doctrine. Christ died for all,anything else is a lie.

Christ payed for ALL OF THE SINS of those that he died for, which was not all mankind. The gay's sins are paid for just as much as your sins are paid for.