Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14

EG,

Ah! I may be understanding something you said a little better after this post.

I THINK we may be saying the same thing about the Romans 6 baptism. It looks like we both are saying the person gets dunked in physical water. (but i realize you could be saying it is spiritual water...although I'm not sure how you'd describe that to another person.) And that the work that is accomplished is spiritual...because washing dirt off our physical body is not the purpose of physical water baptism.

]So for me to state my view of Romans 6 baptism in bullet point format, it would be this:
A) the person gets dunked in physical water
B) but the work that is getting done is spiritual
C) linking us spiritually to Jesus' death
D) from that point on, we are no longer to walk in the fleshy/sinful ways of the old man.
E) because our old sins are left behind (a thing of the past)
F) because we are (after this event) dead to sin and sin is to remain dead to us. AKA...Sin has no right to us and we have no obligation to(wards) sin.

If your understanding is different, please let me know at which letter the difference begins. Feel free to simply list your view in ABC format if that's easiest. Thanks.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

That's why I asked. You word things differently than I do and I wanted to clearly understand what you were actually saying. I get it now as far as you're understanding of Romans 6 goes (no water, just a spiritual thing).

And my understanding being physically dunked in physical water (and raised), but the more important work is being done spiritually.

In this we differ.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

it seems we understand what we do using different terms.

conversion meaning when one accepts Christ...believes in Him and his death on our behalf. I don't use the term meaning 'from something else'...just using it as meaning from anything to Christianity, believing Christ is the only way to God

interestingly, I was also alone when I turned to God, at 5, remembering what I had heard about Jesus in Sunday School and asked 'Jesus into my heart'...as children say...but of course I have a different understanding now many years later.

I had a firm belief in God even as a child but I can't answer for others. I had my children's bible which I read regularly, prayed regularly and just basically 'talked' to God, and grew up that way and I can say God made Himself very real to me

yes a 5 year child can most definitely be saved.

you have several things going on in your post and there are threads all about them. for example the OSAS thread...I avoid it altogether. it's just a constant back and forth and people who do not accept OSAS are attacked. I think there are plenty of warnings in the NT that a person should not take their salvation as a given

I don't think we fall in and out of salvation but we do go through things on this earth and the testing of our faith is biblical

I agree. OSAS is not something I agree with. We should take salvation much more serious then that. Thanks for your response

I agree. OSAS is not something I agree with. We should take salvation much more serious then that. Thanks for your response.

I was so thankful the day my son said "I believe". I took him to church for the first time and I had him put some of his money in the offering plate. Well he started to cry after he did. And I had to explain to him that we were giving the money to God to thank Him for all that He does for us. I had told my son that God provides everything we need. My son that weekend had been asking for shoes and we hadnt found any nice ones the day before, so I pointed out that God will give you nice shoes. He knows all our needs. So my son stopped crying slowly getting the concept of giving to God.

Next thing that happens about 10 min later is a little boy sitting in the pew in front of us had candy. And he was eating it and didnt offer my son any, but the boys mother told him to give my son a peice. The boy reluctantly did so and then my son had candy. Candy that he didnt have and probly would have spent using the change that he put in the offering plate. The little boy sees my son happy to have the candy that he gives my son more candy! And now my son had a bunch of candy. I leant over and told him, look God gave you candy. You didnt have candy but God knew you wanted candy. God takes care of us.

Later we went to the mall and I bought him shoes. And I thought that was the lesson there showing my son God provides. But God took it a step further. We were at a friends house and out of nowhere my friend's girlfriend brings my son a pair of new shoes. She says she had them just sitting in the garage her son never wore them. Nice brand new Jordans. I instantly remember what I had told my son. "God will give you nice shoes". And here they were. I reminded my son. And the blessing didnt stop. She brought him spiderman sweaters and shirts. He got blessed.

I used this time to show my son all that God does for us. And how we should be thankful. We just have to believe in God. And my son says "I believe in God. Im always gonna believe in God". Best day ever. My son was 4 years old.

What??

We should take salvation more serious than what? Trusting God to do what HE PROMISED? What can be more serious that this? Adding your own works????

No bro. Taking it more serious then just some silly prayer someone asked you to repeat and now you are saved is a little too unrealistic. It takes commitment to God in this new belief in God if you truly gave your life to Jesus and received Him in your heart. Thats what people need to take serious. We give our life to Him and live for God now. A living testimony.

Why are you so against doing things to please God as if God deserves no such thing. Thinking that being greatful to God as works is just downright crazy. Let me ask you a question. Since works is seen to you as blasphemy. What do you consider works? So I can see the things you are against and what you will not do. Define works please. I want to see what it is that is an offense to you.

We give our life to Him

You can do all the works you want they will not save you, never have an never will.



What does this mean ....somehow God is lacking now, we need to give our life?

Eternal life is not an exchange for a promise of future service or good works, not even close

You can do all the works you want they will not save you, never have an never will.



What does this mean ....somehow God is lacking now, we need to give our life?

Eternal life is not an exchange for a promise of future service or good works, not even close

2 Corinthians 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Corinthians 619 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Your focus is all about being saved. Your focus seems to not be about God. Your life is your own. He who seeks to save his life will lose it.

Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Yes as the scripture above teaches, we die with Jesus and we are born again in Him.

We bring nothing to the equation.

I did not give Him my life for eternal life ....it is not a quid pro quo

You didnt give your life for Christ? You brought nothing to God?

God does not save those trying to save themselves, all self-effort is laid down at the narrow gate.

Linguistically speaking according to years of analysis "ecstatic speech" has no structure (morpheme, phoneme) that would make it a language.

Those are three examples.

1. In acts 2. It was done as a sign to Isreal (prophesied in the OT I believe)
2. In acts 10, It was a sign to peter who still struggled to believe the gentiles could get this spirit also (As he said later, who was he that he could withstand God)
3. In acts 19, It again could just be a sign

To use these examples to make a doctrine, I am not confortable with that. Otherwise everyone who ever came to christ would immediately start prophesying and speaking in tongues, like these people are, this is just not so.



I see like with many things,, Something odd or strange is going on, So the word gets out. COme see what is going on here (God used this to draw this crouwd is my view, and then also used it as a sign that these men were from God)

Then as these people came, they could hear the disciples speaking about the things of God in their own native language. Even though they probably possibly spoke hebrew or aramaci, But most likely koine greek, they each heard in their own NATIVE language what was being said.

This got many to wonder, and caused some others to mock and laugh saying they were drunk (maybe they could not hear anyone speak in their language? Or they were confused as to HOW they spoke in these languages, so thought them drunk)

This opened the door for peter to give his gospel message, and 3000 plus came to christ that day.

The sign (speaking in foriegn languages) was used to draw people, and then the gospel was given and people came to christ.

I never said anything about being saved. But thats all you talk about. Are you a child of God or a heathen? Do you love God or yourself? And you never answered my question are you a homosexual?

So what !!
Proof that speaking (praying) in tongues is not earthly but supernatural !!

"The sign (speaking in foriegn languages) was used to draw people, and then the gospel was given and people came to christ."

If that is true,then the " let one interpret" verse needs some equally mental reconciling.

And how is pauls mind unfruitful if speaking in foriegn languages to ancient cultures is the explaining away of the promise?

He said his spirit was edified,but not his mind.
If,as the cessationist says "ther must be an interpreter" paul would understand.(since you are implying foriegn "known" languages.)

If speaking in foriegn languages explains away Gods power,then there would be no need for an interpreter.