Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14

You got that right. The Word who was with God and is God became flesh. The Word is Jesus Christ. The Living Word manifest in the form of Jesus. Thats the mystery Paul talked about. Jesus was from the beginning. And everything was made through Him. God created everything through His Word. When His Word was manifest as flesh we were able to Hear Him and See Him. And now if we receieve Him we can have eternal life in Him. His Words are life because they are the Word of God. If the Word is in you Christ is in you.

Hey I know Kelby asked how do we know if someone has the Holy Spirit and I really like that question. Because Ive had people ask me the same thing. They ask how do you know if you recieved it?

I asked them if they were prayed over and had hands laid on them? But I realize not all churches do that. So I asked if they feel gulity over doing things that are sinful. Do they feel things that they used to do, not go with their spirit. Do they have peace in times of trouble?

From my observation it seems like the person that draws closer to God and opens their heart to be right with God receives the gift. The gift isnt impossible to receive. All it takes is the repentant heart. Open to God. Sincere and seeking Him. You can pray in church and not even go to the altar and have the Holy Spirit fill you where you stand. Ive heard different testimonies.

Its the persons heart that matters. God knows the heart. The Holy Spirit is the gift for all who will believe. And like youve said we believe the Word of God. All of it. Not just the name of Jesus but all of the Word of God. And we turn to God. We incline ourselves to Him and He does the rest. In due time the Holy Spirit fills that person. And you know someone has it by their fruits.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control.

Nobody can know for certain if another person has the Holy Spirit. We KNOW we receive the Spirit of God when we KNOW we receive his Son. If we could know for certain of someone is saved we would know for certain if they had the Holy Ghost or not, but we simply can’t know. If a person professes faith in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ we should admonish them as a brother the Bible says.

Nobody can know for certain if another person has the Holy Spirit. We KNOW we receive the Spirit of God when we KNOW we receive his Son. If we could know for certain of someone is saved we would know for certain if they had the Holy Ghost or not, but we simply can’t know. If a person professes faith in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ we should admonish them as a brother the Bible says.

Garee, the above is an example of convoluted bafflegab. I'm sure it has meaning to you, but because it is so poorly constructed, it is not going to have much meaning to anyone else. Again, I encourage you to take a writing course, or at least to look at how sentences are constructed in the KJV... and try to emulate the simplicity of form you will find there.

Well I am glad that I know that I know that I know I have received the Spirit of the Lord.

I had people from a church, that I eventually left, tell me that unless I speak in tounges I dont have the Holy Spirit. I walked out of that conversation nicely but felt such offense I didnt want to go back to that church.

I prayed over that matter because it was important to me. If I didnt have the Holy Spirit then why was I turning my life around and yielding myself to God if it was all being done in vain. (I come from gang culture). So I needed to know and be sure that God was with me. So I studied on all the fuss about the speaking in tounges and whether or not this could be true that someone that doesnt speak in tounges does not have the Holy Spirit.

But God answered and showed that tounges is not the only sign one has received the Holy Spirit. But tounges is biblical but it is not the only evidence.

Paul wrote are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? Are all workers of healing? Do all speak in other tounges? Are all interpeters of tounges?

Simple answer is No. He was speaking to the body of Christ. We are all part of the body and we all have a role in that body. No member is less than anyone. We all play a part in edifying the body. So some of us can speak in other tounges, this gift edifies the one speaking in tounges and strengthens the person in their Spirit. Being stronger allows you to be able to help others. However that may be, God will use that person.

For instance Paul spoke more tounges than anyone. And look how great he was used by God. How much revelation he recieved in doing so. Paul taught prophesying was more edifying for the church body and tounges for the person speaking in tounges.

Prophesying can encourage us depending on what God speaks thru the person, or it can give warnings to prevent things or things we need to change, and it can also give you a word of guidance on things to come.

Healing is very much needed. Interpreting I havent met an interpreter of tongues but if anyone knows what "ro bo ko so" means?? Id love to know. Thats the only words in tounges that God has given me to speak when I was praying by myself.

Well I am glad that I know that I know that I know I have received the Spirit of the Lord.

I had people from a church, that I eventually left, tell me that unless I speak in tounges I dont have the Holy Spirit. I walked out of that conversation nicely but felt such offense I didnt want to go back to that church.

I prayed over that matter because it was important to me. If I didnt have the Holy Spirit then why was I turning my life around and yielding myself to God if it was all being done in vain. (I come from gang culture). So I needed to know and be sure that God was with me. So I studied on all the fuss about the speaking in tounges and whether or not this could be true that someone that doesnt speak in tounges does not have the Holy Spirit.

But God answered and showed that tounges is not the only sign one has received the Holy Spirit. But tounges is biblical but it is not the only evidence.

Paul wrote are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? Are all workers of healing? Do all speak in other tounges? Are all interpeters of tounges?

Simple answer is No. He was speaking to the body of Christ. We are all part of the body and we all have a role in that body. No member is less than anyone. We all play a part in edifying the body. So some of us can speak in other tounges, this gift edifies the one speaking in tounges and strengthens the person in their Spirit. Being stronger allows you to be able to help others. However that may be, God will use that person.

For instance Paul spoke more tounges than anyone. And look how great he was used by God. How much revelation he recieved in doing so. Paul taught prophesying was more edifying for the church body and tounges for the person speaking in tounges.

Prophesying can encourage us depending on what God speaks thru the person, or it can give warnings to prevent things or things we need to change, and it can also give you a word of guidance on things to come.

Healing is very much needed. Interpreting I havent met an interpreter of tongues but if anyone knows what "ro bo ko so" means?? Id love to know. Thats the only words in tounges that God has given me to speak when I was praying by myself.

Tongues is prophesying prophecy .,or declaring the word of God.

The question is what does the sign confirm .We know what prophecy confirms. Its called belief . No outward sign gifts rather we walk by faith.

Tongues is prophesying prophecy .,or declaring the word of God.

The question is what does the sign confirm .We know what prophecy confirms. Its called belief . No outward sign gifts rather we walk by faith.

Prophesy confirms it came from God. Alot of the OT had prophesies and they all came true because they came from God. If someone prophesies and it doesnt come true than it wasnt of God.

Signs a person believes has been quoted in Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

These signs go hand in hand with a true believer. Jesus healed the sick and cast out demons. Jesus said we would do these works and greater works. So isnt this the truth of God? Shouldnt we have these signs if we are believers? Im sure not all the signs, but atleast one of these signs?

Why do you desire sign gifts?

Desire sign gifts? I dont understand. Signs? I dont desire signs. I do desire gifts to profit others. Ive asked for the gift of prophesy. Id like to be able to have the gift of healing. To be used by God in those ways.

People sometimes have a hard time believing. Sometimes people need signs and wonders. People need proof. We are blessed to believe without seeing, because we rely on faith. But not everyone can see it that way.

I dont want people to miss out on what God has for their lives, if they continue to walk in unbelief. If I can be used by God to give someone prophetic words, encouraging words, I want to be used. If someone needs healing, I want to be used by the Holy Spirit to heal them. Using those opportunities to testify of the goodness of God.

God is a good God and I just want to share that with those who dont believe. And its sad that most people need proof. Visable signs. I share Gods word like how you do on here, because Gods word never returns void. Sowing those seeds will have a harvest sooner or later. We leave it in Gods hands and He does the rest.

Thanks

I think you could understand that signs that are used as metaphors in parables like shadows follow someone has believed prophecy,

Those signs convey the same spiritual message each time they are used. Jeus uses a bunch of them in a roll that give John a answer to his doubting.

Several in acts were saved and then recieved the Baptism in the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands.
One got the baptism first,then got saved.

Two different element (salvation<> baptism in the Holy Spirit)

I might distill those two elements a bit further by clarifying that the bible declares that they 1. believed at one point, then 2. received the the Holy Ghost at another point...but it doesn't state that they received "salvation" at a particular point in those accounts.


I know that goes directly against what many of us have been taught by our churches, but please consider the following earnestly:

If a person MUST receive the Holy ghost in order to be "saved" then "salvation" cannot be implied at the moment of belief in any case where the bible clarifies that those particular believers have NOT yet received the Holy Ghost.

It is possible to believe, but still need to wait, endure, abide, tarry, pray for the outpouring of the Holy Ghost. That was true of the those in the upper room in Acts 2. It was true of those in Samaria in Acts 8. It was true of those in Ephesus in Acts 19. And it is still true all around the globe today.

The accounts in the book of Acts (bible) were accurate and applicable in the day they were recorded. And those accounts are still just as accurate and applicable today.

Thank God for his abiding faithfulness. "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever" -Hebrews 8:13

I might distill those two elements a bit further by clarifying that the bible declares that they 1. believed at one point, then 2. received the the Holy Ghost at another point...but it doesn't state that they received "salvation" at a particular point in those accounts.


I know that goes directly against what many of us have been taught by our churches, but please consider the following earnestly:

If a person MUST receive the Holy ghost in order to be "saved" then "salvation" cannot be implied at the moment of belief in any case where the bible clarifies that those particular believers have NOT yet received the Holy Ghost.

It is possible to believe, but still need to wait, endure, abide, tarry, pray for the outpouring of the Holy Ghost. That was true of the those in the upper room in Acts 2. It was true of those in Samaria in Acts 8. It was true of those in Ephesus in Acts 19. And it is still true all around the globe today.

The accounts in the book of Acts (bible) were accurate and applicable in the day they were recorded. And those accounts are still just as accurate and applicable today.

Thank God for his abiding faithfulness. "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever" -Hebrews 8:13

Well since no one i promised to speak in tongues, how can that be proof? Is this why people say if you do not speak in tongues your not saved?

The only thing the bible says is his spirit works with your spirit to confirm you are children of God. And that if you have not received chastening, your probably not God's

Matt 7 : Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’

Did these people have the Holy Ghost?

Also does the Bible teach anyone was ever saved before receiving the Holy Ghost? References? Nobody was saved before Christ died, was buried, and rose again the third day for that’s the gospel and NOBODY believed it before Christ arose and appeared to his disciples. The Holy Ghost is what “seals” our salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9). Perhaps that’s what also sealed their salvation as well. Just a few thoughts.

Just drop it Dino. Why do you try to offend the brotha? Hes a new member and you come off like a snob. Real talk bro. Welcome the brother not push him down.

You say you know Jesus? Go ask for forgiveness and come back. God bless you Dino.

There was a lesson in there for Daddy, too. What you told your son was correct, that God would give to him if he willingly gave to God. (That was a promise) But God didn't need you to cover for him by buying your son a pair of shoes in God's stead. God was quite capable of giving himself...which he did through your friend's girlfriend (not you).

Your action was actually a bit like Abram and Sarai's in Genesis 16. God had given them promise of offspring back in chapter 12, but it wasn't happening fast enough for Sarai. So she decided to 'help God out' by bringing in another woman to sleep with Abram to see if she could bring a son to Abram that way. And yes, they were able to bring a new son into the house, but that son was not the promise, and did that son did not replace God's obligation. So, disregarding their attempts, God honored his promise by giving them a son, Isaac, on exactly the day he had originally intended...just like he brought the promised pair of shoes to your son regardless of what you'd done.

God actually wanted you to rest on his promise the same way you were asking your son to rest on God's promise. God had your back.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby