Faith/Works...How much faith? How much works?

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Faith is a living work necessary to commune between two minds . Christianity is it in respect to the mind of Christ revealed by the scriptures, prophecy. We are lovingly commanded to let His mind be in us by faith and shows us how..

Trying to divide the faith of Christ that he exercised towards the creature from the work of Christ's labor or love seems to be were many differ? The idea of separating faith from works can only lead to blaspheming the one Holy name of God.

The phrase in Hebrews 4 "mixing faith in them that heard it" is the key representing those that who did believe God. God giving them rest and comfort making their hearts soft. Again "mixing faith" using the temporal seen to reveal the unseen eternal hid .(2 Corinthian 4:18) It can help our anxieties in our hour of need.

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: ( Did not mix faith) Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts..Hebrews 4:1-8
Nice quote, the key is enter the rest. You believe that all the work have been completed by God and you enter to enjoy all that he has completed, like Adam in the garden of eden
 
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So why do you continue to sin every day, hypocrite? ;)
Let's stay away from personal attacks and stick with Bible. Whenever people want to avoid the light of scripture, they attack. SO back to the Bible

1 John 3:6- Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
 
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Best just to not say anything to him at all.. Not worth it.
It is not worth it for you and him, because all you two have is personal attacks. You have zero scriptural argument. Never had any. GB9 has never come with ANYTHING but personal attacks.
 
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It is not worth it for you and him, because all you two have is personal attacks. You have zero scriptural argument. Never had any.
It is not worth it for you and him, because all you two have is personal attacks. You have zero scriptural argument. Never had any.
Passage is discussing inheritance, not entrance. Big difference. As believers, if we continue to walk after the flesh, we forfeit our inheritance.
What is the scriptural basis for putting a distinction between "inheriting" and "entering" the kingdom.

Matthew 25: Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
 
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But the bible says we can’t do that So why do people keep saying we can?

Why do people continue to show they lack faith in God to change his own children like he promised he would?
Because if you say He will, they will call you a fruit inspector. I know this by experience. I pressed the matter that God changes His people and was called fruit inspector repeatedly.
 

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Let's stay away from personal attacks and stick with Bible. Whenever people want to avoid the light of scripture, they attack. SO back to the Bible

1 John 3:6- Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Oh, please. You simply don't practice what you preach. Nor can you. You say you want to stick only with the Bible but deny it's application by your actions. When a light gets shown upon your own behavior, in contradiction to what you say, you claim it's an attack.
 
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Oh, please. You simply don't practice what you preach. Nor can you. You say you want to stick only with the Bible but deny it's application by your actions. When a light gets shown upon your own behavior, in contradiction to what you say, you claim it's an attack.
Thats why he is on ignore. And will stay there when.if he starts to practice what he teaches.
 

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Are you including the 3 righeousness's?

3 righteous behaviours
1. Faith righteousness
2. Heart righteousness
3. Action righteousness

We are saved by faith, which cleanses and purifies our heart which is shown in our behaviour.
FHA righteousness
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Reprobate
Unapproved; rejected after testing.

5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
 

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I know, the Forum is glutted with these Faith/Works threads.

But I'm interested in those that say 'by faith'...how much faith?

And those that say 'by works'...how much works?
One corresponding work for a specific belief.
Speaking what one believes in their heart, would be an example of a corresponding work for a specific belief.
 
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Let's stay away from personal attacks and stick with Bible. Whenever people want to avoid the light of scripture, they attack. SO back to the Bible

1 John 3:6- Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Would you agree that the WORD of GOD should harmonize with other scriptures In the same book chapter?
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1 John 3:6
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6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

A few verses down John Inspired by GOD writes

1 John 3:9
King James Version

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

How would you harmonize these two verses since they DO sound contrary to each other and we know that GOD doesn’t author confusion.

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The reason I ask this Is because we know that born again christians DO sin.
 

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One corresponding work for a specific belief.
Speaking what one believes in their heart, would be an example of a corresponding work for a specific belief.
Belief in what? Oneself? Martians? Flat earth?
 

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I never get this one: We know faith without works is dead, right.

How many....How much...What kind I don't know it's different for each person.

Read Matthew 25:14 the parable of the talents.

He gives one 5 talents, another 2 talents, and another 1 talent. The one with 5 and 2 work or put it to the usery and double it. The one with 1 hid it in the ground and did not work. He was called an unfaithful servant and even the one was taken from him.

To me, this seems to go hand in hand with Luke 8 Parable of the good seed: verse 18 says to those that have shall be added and to those that don't have, it shall be taken away even that they seem to have. Pretty sure this is saying that they never really had it to begin with because if so then they would have used it, worked, or brought forth fruit...How much, what kind, I don't know... it goes by what God has given a person to do.

So to sum it up, faith without works or fruit is dead...but God is the judge of how many, how much, what kind!
 

1ofthem

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Luke 8 parable of the good seed:
15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

16 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light.

17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
 
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16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Reprobate
Unapproved; rejected after testing.

5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
In other who claim to be christian, but were christian in name only. Not in practice.

This passage is telling people to examine yourself. Are you truly a child of God. Or not. Much Like James in chapter 2.
 

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I never get this one: We know faith without works is dead, right.

How many....How much...What kind I don't know it's different for each person.

Read Matthew 25:14 the parable of the talents.

He gives one 5 talents, another 2 talents, and another 1 talent. The one with 5 and 2 work or put it to the usery and double it. The one with 1 hid it in the ground and did not work. He was called an unfaithful servant and even the one was taken from him.

To me, this seems to go hand in hand with Luke 8 Parable of the good seed: verse 18 says to those that have shall be added and to those that don't have, it shall be taken away even that they seem to have. Pretty sure this is saying that they never really had it to begin with because if so then they would have used it, worked, or brought forth fruit...How much, what kind, I don't know... it goes by what God has given a person to do.

So to sum it up, faith without works or fruit is dead...but God is the judge of how many, how much, what kind!
How can one be assured of their standing before God if "it's different for each person"?
 
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Would you agree that the WORD of GOD should harmonize with other scriptures In the same book chapter?
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1 John 3:6
King James Version

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

A few verses down John Inspired by GOD writes

1 John 3:9
King James Version

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

How would you harmonize these two verses since they DO sound contrary to each other and we know that GOD doesn’t author confusion.

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The reason I ask this Is because we know that born again christians DO sin.
The seed is spiritual as the word of God. The Son of man came in corrupted flesh in order to put away sin in respect to the wage of violating a commandment of God in the flesh . This is performed by the holiness of Spirit.There is no holiness of flesh .Flesh and blood after the rudiments of this world will not enter the new heavens and earth . What we are is not what we will be when we receive our new incorruptible bodies clothed with the righteousness of our husband Christ. A picture or vision of His chaste virgin of bride, the church clothed with His righteousness with the Sun and Moon, the temporal time keepers under her feet. She is revealed in Revelation 12.

Christians have been delivered from dying of a corrupted spirit of death to new living spirit life. Our bodies are dead because of sin .But are new spirit of our new heart that has a desire to do the will gives us eternal life. Something the law could not do, as a work of faith but rather as the letter it kills .God as promised sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh ot took away the penalty :

Romans 8:2-4 King James Version (KJV) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 

1ofthem

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How can one be assured of their standing before God if "it's different for each person"?
If we're truly a child of God then he talks to us and we know what he wants from us. Now i'm not saying that I always get it immediately but I have to pray and listen to know what God wants from me. He has a work or works for all of us and it is not going to be the same for everyone. So we have to draw nigh to God, read the word, pray, walk in the Spirit, and listen to him.
 

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If we're truly a child of God then he talks to us and we know what he wants from us. Now i'm not saying that I always get it immediately but I have to pray and listen to know what God wants from me. He has a work or works for all of us and it is not going to be the same for everyone. So we have to draw nigh to God, read the word, pray, walk in the Spirit, and listen to him.
So your assurance is in your doing or in His faithfulness to His Word?
 

1ofthem

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He doesn't give us all the same work or the same amount...There are many scriptures that say or show this clearly. So we have to be close to him and do what he wants which is our own personal best. I may not be able to do your work and you may not be able to do my work so we have to learn what God wants from us and what he has given us to do.

Matthew 25
15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

To every man according to his ability.

I think the parable of the seed Mathew 13 explains this very well.

8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Know we know they were all on the good ground so they were all saved. But some brought forth 100, some 60, and some 30.
 

1ofthem

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So your assurance is in your doing or in His faithfulness to His Word?
I really don't get what your asking here. I put no assurance in myself doing anything.

I can't save myself by working and just trying to work and do things. I have to do what God wants me to.

It takes the Spirit of God to do the works of God.