Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14

And you would claim now that everybody who has not heared the Holy Spirit is not born again??

My question to you: Please provide scripture that shows something other than tongues accompanying the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

Scripture shows that speaking in tongues accompanied the initial baptism of the Holy Ghost. The book of Acts is essential to understanding the birth of the NT church. It would be foolish to discount the instruction God provided in Acts; it paints a clear picture of what occurs when God fills one with His Spirit.

Acts 2:2-4
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Notice the cloven tongues appeared as fire sitting upon those present. This points to the fact that the Spirit entered into each person individually. There is a parallel in the OT. How did one know that God was present in the wilderness tabernacle? God produced a flame that dispelled the darkness. Christians realize that there very bodies are considered God's tabernacle/dwelling place today.

Your comment that Paul stated that not all speak in tongues was his reference to the Spiritual gift of tongues. This is separate from the the initial infilling of the Holy Ghost.

In addition, Jesus explained to Nicodemus how one knows an individual is born of the Spirit. He stated clearly that one cannot visibly see the Spirit, however, the Spirit can be heard when it comes:

John 3:8
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

After receiving the Holy Ghost one can stir it, and its fruit should continue to manifest in believers lives.

Bro there is no verses outside of Acts. He said he got his information from his church meetings. Clearly its a cult thing. Man made doctrine is false doctrine and theres no point entertaining it. If it aint in scripture then WHO CARES. Hes a pentecostal guy. Probly believes in oneness.

My question to you: Please provide scripture that shows something other than tongues accompanying the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

Scripture shows that speaking in tongues accompanied the initial baptism of the Holy Ghost. The book of Acts is essential to understanding the birth of the NT church. It would be foolish to discount the instruction God provided in Acts; it paints a clear picture of what occurs when God fills one with His Spirit.

Acts 2:2-4
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Notice the cloven tongues appeared as fire sitting upon those present. This points to the fact that the Spirit entered into each person individually. There is a parallel in the OT. How did one know that God was present in the wilderness tabernacle? God produced a flame that dispelled the darkness. Christians realize that there very bodies are considered God's tabernacle/dwelling place today.

Your comment that Paul stated that not all speak in tongues was his reference to the Spiritual gift of tongues. This is separate from the the initial infilling of the Holy Ghost.

In addition, Jesus explained to Nicodemus how one knows an individual is born of the Spirit. He stated clearly that one cannot visibly see the Spirit, however, the Spirit can be heard when it comes:

John 3:8
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

After receiving the Holy Ghost one can stir it, and its fruit should continue to manifest in believers lives.

And you would claim now that everybody who has not heared the Holy Spirit is not born again??

Its of the brain and how tongues affected it not a way of confirm a person has the Holy Spirit or the idea of sign gifts

It would seem someone is trying to prove or disprove the tongues doctrine by looking at brain activity. It not a spiritual lie detector.

Is it the interpreter of spiritual things of God. Why even chase after the idea.? What the hope in having brain activity monitored on a electronic device.? Why not simply define what the sign confirms using the bible as the test rather than chasing around a bush ?

seriously? come on now

how is it you have missed all the teaching of Paul to the Corinthian church?

they were creating chaos in their meetings because of the misuse of tongues and Paul set them straight...like so many today need to have been taught and they were not

tongues are not confined to Acts and not confined by a time line either since the first infilling

so, it IS in scripture so therefore, according to you, you should care

hope that helps

one more thing...Waggles is not oneness, but I don't know why he would continue the conversation

When the wind blows do you hear tounges? Common knowledge. Answer is no. We all know what wind sounds like brotha. This doesnt confirm tounges.

I provided you with scripture. Please share scripture outside of Acts according to what happend at pentecost. Show me any other account refrenced outside of Acts.

I hope no one answers this nonsense

wolfwint knows very well that no one is saying that at all

time to ignore this dude.

Bro there is no verses outside of Acts. He said he got his information from his church meetings. Clearly its a cult thing. Man made doctrine is false doctrine and theres no point entertaining it. If it aint in scripture then WHO CARES. Hes a pentecostal guy. Probly believes in oneness.

Jesus used wind as an example of the Spirit. His example made it simple to understand that sound will accompany the birth of the Spirit. (John 3:8)

It is not wise to exclude information given in Acts when searching for answers regarding the spiritual rebirth of a believer. Jesus made it clear that everyone will be judged exclusively by all of His word not portions one chooses to accept or reject:

John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Also, notice the verses in 2 Timothy do not say exclude the Book of Acts when considering spiritual rebirth doctrine. It states that ALL scripture is profitable for doctrine, correction, instruction in righteousness, etc.:

2 Tim 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Your suggested timeline is a little off. The disciples received the Holy Spirit in the upper room when Jesus appeared to them. The risen Savior said to them receive ye the Holy Spirit as He breathed the Spirit upon them. John 20:22 Those present at Pentecost were already in possession of the Holy Spirit.

God has done signs in the past to demonstrate His presence to unbelieving Jews. For Christians do not operate by sight but by faith. Faith the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11.

If your faith is to be based on grace through faith not tongues or miracles. Romanism venerates physical things and denies the power of God in the process.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Scripture is clear there will be mockers in the last time. Notice as well that believers are told to build up themselves by praying in the Holy Ghost. Paul explained that speaking in tongues was praying in the Holy Ghost (1 Corinthians 14:14-15; Eph 6:18):

Jude 18-21
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost (Spirit),
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Jesus conveyed a first fruit of the Spirit upon the Apostles for them to accomplish miracles, etc. while He was still here on the Earth.

John 20:21-23
This reception of the Spirit was in anticipation of the day of Pentecost and should be understood as a partial limited gift of knowledge, understanding, and empowerment until Pentecost, 50 days later.
(Bible Knowledge Commentary/New Testament)

Afterward, on the Day of Pentecost the Apostles were totally infused with the Holy Spirit. We know this to be true because Jesus specifically instructed His disciples to wait in Jerusalem until they were endued with power:

Luke 24:49
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Acts 2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Scripture is clear there will be mockers in the last time. Notice as well that believers are told to build up themselves by praying in the Holy Ghost. Paul explained that speaking in tongues was praying in the Holy Ghost (1 Corinthians 14:14-15; Eph 6:18):

Jude 18-21
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost (Spirit),
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Well, my thread on Speaking in Tongues has at least accomplished one thing--it has triggered a blizzard of new threads on speaking in tongues

Yeah, and that's all we needed.

But the focus of Christ and His apostles was on the Gospel, NOT tongues.

And Jesus spoke generally in Aramaic. That should give pause to everyone.

There will be those who will not endure sound doctrine but will heap to themselves teachers having itching ears. Three gifts ended when the NT was completed. All three were clearly listed in 1 Cor 13.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

no one thinks tongues is the gospel