Faith/Works...How much faith? How much works?

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Macabeus

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Budman said:
So, you sin by "accident" every time you sin?

Give me a break.
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You don't have to make any choice at all to sin. Sin includes any missing of the mark of God's perfect standard. We commit sins of omission as well as commision. There are sins of imperfect motive, imperfect intent, even our good works are imperfect.

In order to be perfect, we would have to be as pure as Christ.

But the fact that we are not as pure as Christ does not make us a slave to sin.

Sorry your theology is so UNBALANCED.
 
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Macabeus said:
You don't have to make any choice at all to sin. Sin includes any missing of the mark of God's perfect standard. We commit sins of omission as well as commision. There are sins of imperfect motive, imperfect intent, even our good works are imperfect.

In order to be perfect, we would have to be as pure as Christ.

But the fact that we are not as pure as Christ does not make us a slave to sin.

Sorry your theology is so UNBALANCED.
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Enjoy your unbalanced theology, Bud.
 
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Macabeus said:
You don't have to make any choice at all to sin. Sin includes any missing of the mark of God's perfect standard. We commit sins of omission as well as commision. There are sins of wrong motive, wrong intent, even our good works are imperfect.

Sorry your theology is so UNBALANCED.
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ALL sin is a choice, Mac. That won't fly in a human court, let alone God's court. "Missing the mark" is simply sinning. Sin, plain and simple. Violating God's Law. You're not going to fool the judge with that logic, Mac.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
Why would you think It's ok for Christians to lie?
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I don't. You said what I said spunded like Trump. But I merely said it is not ok for Christians to lie, and to call one a liar is tatamount to saying a person is not saved.
 
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Macabeus said:
Enjoy your unbalanced theology, Bud.
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What I enjoy is watching you corner yourself with your works based theology, and then attempt to wiggle out of it.
 
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Macabeus

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Budman said:
ALL sin is a choice, Mac. That won't fly in a human court, let alone God's court. "Missing the mark" is simply sinning. Sin, plain and simple. Violating God's Law. You're not going to fool the judge with that logic, Mac.
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My imperfection and the fact that I am not as perfect as Christ is is not by choice, Budman
 
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Macabeus

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Budman said:
What I enjoy is watching you corner yourself with your works based theology, and then attempt to wiggle out of it.
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My theology is not based on works.

Your theology is just belief with no regeneration
 
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Macabeus said:
My theology is not based on works.

Your theology is just belief with no regeneration
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It is absolutely works based. And one you yourself cannot live up to
 
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Budman said:
Your sinning is definitely a choice, Mac. And you know it.
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What sinning are you talking about?

Jesus said a slave abideth not forever. SO by your doctrine, NO ONE but Jesus is going to be in heaven.

Nice theology there, Bud.
 
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Macabeus said:
Jesus said a slave abideth not forever. SO by your doctrine, NO ONE but Jesus is going to be in heaven.

Nice theology there, Bud.
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You sin daily, claim you're not a slave to it, and then try to excuse your sins by saying you basically are doing it against your will.

Nice theology there, Mac.
 
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Macabeus said:
You don't have to make any choice at all to sin. Sin includes any missing of the mark of God's perfect standard. We commit sins of omission as well as commision. There are sins of imperfect motive, imperfect intent, even our good works are imperfect.
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So, God would then have no reason to damn them - since they really didn't "mean" to?
 
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Macabeus said:
But the fact that we are not as pure as Christ does not make us a slave to sin.
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We are as pure as Christ, Mac. We are as holy and righteous as He is. It's imputed to us. If not, we could not be saved.
 
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Budman said:
You sneak the word "habitual" in there as if that's the key. You are absolutely wrong. A single lie attributed to a person is enough to send them to hell. You are not taking into account the absolute holiness of God. You make it as if God judges on a sliding scale. As if a few lies are okay, but if you make it a habit, you're toast.

And you can't single out lies. ANY sin whatsoever that one owes a debt for is enough to damn them. One act of lust, one theft, one act of taking God's name in vain, etc. That's why Christians have no sin debt at all. We can never be lost. Jesus paid it completely.
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Habitual IS the keyword because it signifies the spirit of rebellion.
 
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