Can mathematics be used to prove God?

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posthuman said:
even the phases of the moon don't match the phases of night and day on earth.
God made two 'clocks' in the sky, per Genesis, the sun and the moon -- but they don't coincide with each other. i asked a teacher, why isn't the solar year evenly divisible by a number of lunar cycles? or even a lunar cycle divisible by a number of day/night cycles?

he said, post, you should meditate on entropy.

smart dude, IMO. :)
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scripture does say signs too, using the Polaris star along with other things though like you said phases don’t match everything.
 
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Didymous said:
since a year is actually 365.25 days, you might redo your formula.
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that is a very important thing to realize!

also importantly, Peter quotes a psalm, which says a day is "like" a thousand years, and also "like" a watch in the night - which is 4 hours, if you're Hebrew, or 3 hours, if you're Roman.

it isn't saying 24hr = 1,000yr = 4hr
i think another way to express the thought is that God - who is not constrained in time as we are - sees infinity in an instant and sees an instant for infinity.

so i don't think this is a verse to write an unit-conversion equation from, at all
post cringes when he sees someone do that haha
 
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KnowMe said:
Huh, well I was thinking of the one who created the four leaf clover midst of three, or is that random or as some would say because of the fall of man the ground was cursed thus the appearance of corruption.

there’s about three reason that I know of for that to happen unless you might know of another reason.
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I don't think the appearance of a 4 leaf clover is "truly random", I think it only appears random because we don't understand all the variables.

That would be the scientific view.

The religious view would be that even if something was "truly random" in a mathematical sense, it still wouldn't be random metaphysically because God would have already known it and ordained it to be.

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maxwel said:
I don't think the appearance of a 4 leaf clover is "truly random", I think it only appears random because we don't understand all the variables.

That would be the scientific view.

The religious view would be that even if something was "truly random" in a mathematical sense, it still wouldn't be random metaphysically because God would have already known it and ordained it to be.

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I don’t think it’s random either, and what you said about all the variables speaks volume.
 
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posthuman said:
thought

'math' is not a physical property. it cannot be measured, felt, touched, seen. it is like thought.

the very existence of math proves that there is something beyond the physical universe - something that exists even if all creation does not. we apply math to things -- we count things, we add things together and describe what we're doing with math. but math doesn't cease to exist just because we don't have any things to count.

& it's orderly, not random. it follows laws, and makes incontrovertible statements about what is true and what is not -- yet all in the most abstract, conceptual way, which does not depend on anything tangible existing in order to be true.

so where does math come from? it pre-exists all creation, and it is conceived in intelligence. doesn't this mean that an intelligence exists before all things that exist, exist?

does the very existence of math prove God?
some very clever people realize this question is invoked by the fact that there is such a thing as math, and they are afraid, and say, mankind invents math. but i think, this cannot possibly be true. math is discovered, not invented. one cannot just 'make up math' in order to accomplish some result they want. one has to think of what they need to determine a result, and then look for math that will allow them to calculate, and see if the result that is matches the one they desire. this is not the behavior of something invented, but something which already exists, and is sought out, like treasure.
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so how do you think about this

............00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.100000.......

We don't usually write out all the zeros before and after the decimal point, and if we do, all the numbers are certain extent infinite.
I've thought about it, which means mathematics existed before creation.
And when I studied programming before, I found 1,3,6,9 is a rule
Sum of random
256+789+987=4,032=4+0+3+2=9
987+789=1,776=1+7+7+6=21=2+1=3
256+987=1,243=1+2+4+3=10=1+0=1
256+789=1,405=1+4+0+5=10=1+0=1
Sum of random two leap years
1,932+1,944=3,876=3+8+7+6=24=2+4=6
 
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these are interesting equations

F = Gm1m2/r2
G = GM/r2
 
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breno785au said:
How did I know I'd see you actively participating in this thread? :ROFL:

I think God can gift people who are mathematically minded to see the glory of God in mathematics. But for me, unless it's real simple...
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It's like a thread about orange cats, you know Blue will be there haha

it's now time for post to eat pizza and watch movies.. but i'll be back
 
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posthuman said:
even the phases of the moon don't match the phases of night and day on earth.
God made two 'clocks' in the sky, per Genesis, the sun and the moon -- but they don't coincide with each other. i asked a teacher, why isn't the solar year evenly divisible by a number of lunar cycles? or even a lunar cycle divisible by a number of day/night cycles?

he said, post, you should meditate on entropy.

smart dude, IMO. :)
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Still, even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day.
 
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Does anyone know what is the math equation to make a atom, not the properties that make up a atom or the changing of such but the actual creating in a math equation. probably to big to understand in the human mind other than day one in its simplest form.
 
soberxp

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posthuman said:
to the Hebrew it was 360 days; 12 30-day months

someone told me, i should wonder if it is not, anymore, because, entropy. because, the fall of man.
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Adam 103+800=930
Seth 105+807=912
Enos 90+815=905
Cainan 70+840=910
Mahalaleel 65+830=895
Jared 162+800=962
Enoch 65+300=365
Methuselah 187+782=969
Lamech 182+595=777
Noah 500+? (100)+ after flood350=950 亚拉腊山 mountains of Ararat
Shem,(two years after flood)100+500 Ham, Japheth
Arphaxad 35+403=
Salah 30+403=
Eber 34+430
Peleg 30+209=
Reu 32+207=
Serug 30+200=
Nahor 29+119=
Terah 70+?=205
Abram 86+?=99+1=100+?=175 Nahor, Haran(died before his father)
Ishmael 13+?= 137 Isaac 60+?=180 Lot
Esau Jacob 130+?=147

Adam to Noah's birth
How many years has it been between Adam and Noah?
Adam 103+Seth 105+Enos 90+Cainan 70+Mahalaleel 65+Jared 162+Enoch 65+Methuselah 187+Lamech 182=1,029ys

Adam to Noah's flood
Adam 103+Seth 105+Enos 90+Cainan 70+Mahalaleel 65+Jared 162+Enoch 65+Methuselah 187+Lamech 182+Noah 500+Shem,(two years after flood)100-2ys=1,627ys

Noah to flood
1,627-1,029=598ys
500+100-2=598ys

after flood 350ys Noah's 950ys of age and Shem(two years after flood)100ys of age
950-598=352ys

after flood Noah lived for 350ys
352-350=2ys
and
Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.
Genesis 8:13 And By the first day of the first month of Noah's six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry.
600-598=2ys
601-598=3ys
seems a little odd,
But this is the time Noah just 601ys of age from 600ys of age, so the time is correct.

so what happend in these two years of flood?

7:11 Noah 600ys of age
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.
7:12 40days
And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
7:17 40days
For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth.
7:24 all is 150days
The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.
8:3 150 days
The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down
8:6 40days
After forty days Noah opened the window he had made in the ark
8:10 7days
He waited seven more days and again sent out the dove from the ark.
8:12 7days
He waited seven more days and sent the dove out again, but this time it did not return to him.
8:13 Noah 601ys of age
By the first day of the first month of Noah's six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry.

so one year is
7days+(150days-40days)+40days+150days+40days+7days+7days=361days
 
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sorry
Noah to flood
1,627-1,029=598-1=597
500+100-2=598-1=597

Noah to flood ends
1,627-1,029=598
500+100-2=598
 
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I wonder when people started counting in the millions,billions,trillions and knew what it is, in 1980 if someone ask me about a galaxy 4s, I would of said in what constellation is that never heard of it.
 
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soberxp said:
2 Peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

365 days a year,
The mathematical expression of a day in a year that is 365^(-1)
This is how mobile calculators are displayed.
or 1/365,
I'm just guessing how to express this.one day is with the Lord as a thousand years {in math}
so let me just guess if it is
1:
365^(-1) to the power of 1000
or
1/365 to the power of 1000

365^(-1)^1,000=365
The result was exciting.
whether my formula is wrong or not, the results are amazing,
I mean.
Even in the same form of year, the result is still related to the year, that is the unit of a day in a year and a thousand years,
they are all meaning the 365 days a year.
But I think this formula may be wrong, so I try to express it this way. {365^(-1)}^1,000=?
however the {365^(-1)}^1,000= 0
Could be the result of a cell phone calculator error.
I may not be able to use a cell phone calculator.
for the 365^(-1)^1,000=365 ,
I didn't know the calculator was the process of calculating first.
For example,
4^(-1)x2x2x2^2=4
{4^(-1)x2x2x2}^2=4
The results of these two calculations are the same.But this is a special case.
4^(-1)^2=4
{4^(-1)}^2=0.0625

5^(-1)^5=0.2 or (1/5)^5=0.00032 or 1/5=0.2

cuz
(-1)^1=-1
(-1)^5=-1

if 365^(-1)^1,000
first Calculated (-1)^1000=-1
then 365^(-1)=0.0027397260273973

I don't know why this is happening.

So I can only think that mathematics can be used to prove the existence of God
there is no other possibility, because God has prepared such a calculation for me.

Then look at the
God created the world in six days
365^(-1)x6^1000=∞ Infinite number
{365^(-1)x6}^1000=0
let me guess what is the meaning about it.
Infinite
we know god is Eternal god
Eternal can be mean Infinite
Eternal life
Infinite life

for the {365^(-1)}^1,000= 0 and {365^(-1)x6}^1000=0
Zero and spirit have the same pronunciation in Chinese

It's unlikely to be a miscalculation,
or simply a phonetic coincidence,
because it's not a coincidence
if so many coincidences happen to be related to God at the time of so many coincidence contracts.
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God who uses a signified language to hide is spiritual understanding in parables. Two ways to measure. The measure of man 12+12=24 and the golden reed as a metaphorical number. 12,000X 12,000 = a concealed fact

Measurement in respect to parables and literal measurements of men.

No mathematical formulas. But formulas like that of 2 Corinthians 4:8 (the golden reed)

And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.Revelation 21:14-17
 
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