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JohnRH

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For instance - the 7 year tribulation. Yeshua/Jesus fulfilled the first 3 1/2 years and the anti-christ will also get 3 1/2 years. Most believe the 7 years are consecutive but, they are not. How did I get this? I read and study the scriptures but, I don't rely on my understanding. I ask the Holy Spirit questions constantly while I'm reading the Bible and He just simply tells me.
The Holy Spirit didn't tell you that. That's merely your interpretation/understanding.
My heart seeks the truth, not my head.
Your head is involved. It can't not be. Without it, you wouldn't be seeking anything.
 
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GtrPkr

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Another thing to ponder.... We rule and reign with Him for 1000yrs, but then satan is loosed again for one final war. If we're all truly saved then what's that final war going to be about?
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Another thing to ponder.... We rule and reign with Him for 1000yrs, but then satan is loosed again for one final war. If we're all truly saved then what's that final war going to be about?
Right.

Those BORN TO "the righteous [saved]" (the righteous/saved who enter the MK time period, in their mortal bodies) are not "born automatically righteous" [nor those born to THEM, and so forth...] and only the rebellious will "die" during that MK age [and dealt with swiftly, as I see it], as "death" will be much more rare, in the MK)… so there will still be people at the end of the MK age... (it says Satan goes out TO DECEIVE them, but doesn't really say whether or not he is wholly successful, at that point [before he's squashed], I don't think... not sure)
 

Lafftur

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Another thing to ponder.... We rule and reign with Him for 1000yrs, but then satan is loosed again for one final war. If we're all truly saved then what's that final war going to be about?
Hello GtrPkr,

Great question! TheDivineWatermark touched on the answer a bit.....

Right.

Those BORN TO "the righteous [saved]" (the righteous/saved who enter the MK time period, in their mortal bodies) are not "born automatically righteous" [nor those born to THEM, and so forth...] and only the rebellious will "die" during that MK age [and dealt with swiftly, as I see it], as "death" will be much more rare, in the MK)… so there will still be people at the end of the MK age... (it says Satan goes out TO DECEIVE them, but doesn't really say whether or not he is wholly successful, at that point [before he's squashed], I don't think... not sure)
There will be those alive in their mortal bodies when Christ returns to the Earth. Personally, I believe these alive with be small mortal human children that were too young to receive the mark of the beast because they did not need to buy or sell- their parents had the mark.

These children will grow up and be raised and taught by the Lord. The scripture says that if one of these dies at the age of 100 years old it will be as if a child died. Sounds like the Earth is going back to the Garden of Eden during this time where humans can live to be 500 to 900 years old.

Just like the anti-christ got to wreck havoc for a little while, Satan will also get a little while. It's part of the Father's plan and purpose. No worries, God is faithful and trustworthy in all He does. :love:(y)
 
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GtrPkr

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Interesting... So you believe the millennial Kingdom will be filled with both those who were raptured and those who accepted Christ during the tribulation. But, those who are saved during the tribulation will not be transfigured?
 
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To Philadelphia He says they will not go through the tribulation..

Revelation 3:10
Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.

To some in Thyatyria He says they will go through the tribulation..

Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works



So how does the bride do both?
Mat 25
All are virgins/saved/pure/undefiled.
Half do not go into the marrige chamber
"The door was shut"
As in the flood some left,some stayed
 
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Interesting... So you believe the millennial Kingdom will be filled with both those who were raptured and those who accepted Christ during the tribulation. But, those who are saved during the tribulation will not be transfigured?
Ok,now this is interesting,because the last groups,apparently,to leave earth is rev 14.
There are no postrib rapture verses,so your point is key
 
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Hello GtrPkr,

Great question! TheDivineWatermark touched on the answer a bit.....



There will be those alive in their mortal bodies when Christ returns to the Earth. Personally, I believe these alive with be small mortal human children that were too young to receive the mark of the beast because they did not need to buy or sell- their parents had the mark.

These children will grow up and be raised and taught by the Lord. The scripture says that if one of these dies at the age of 100 years old it will be as if a child died. Sounds like the Earth is going back to the Garden of Eden during this time where humans can live to be 500 to 900 years old.

Just like the anti-christ got to wreck havoc for a little while, Satan will also get a little while. It's part of the Father's plan and purpose. No worries, God is faithful and trustworthy in all He does. :love:(y)
In the flood,children died with parents.
Even in laws were killed in the judgement.
Israel at times was ordered to kill men women and children.
Ok,so none of them were post Cross.
Will the children of the heathen be exempted if they or their parents take the mark ?
The tribulation is directed at the Jew mainly,but includes the entire world.
The ac,and self worshippers who take the mark are a kinda golden calf Dynamic.
IOW,MILLIONS DIE during the gt. Maybe billions.

There will be a GWT judgement at the end.
God is just and mercuful,but he won't say " oh well,nevermind".
He will sort it all out in the GWTJ.
Most likely,children,mentally ill,remote tribes etc get a pardon.

An atheist once told a christian "if you know a truck will come and kill all those standing on the highway,and say nothing,how much hate do you have for them (the perishing with no preacher).
IOW, an atheist with more insight than myself.
Chilling
 
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Another thing to ponder.... We rule and reign with Him for 1000yrs, but then satan is loosed again for one final war. If we're all truly saved then what's that final war going to be about?
Satan gets his last gathering of the rebellious. Like you and lafftur said,those with mortal bodies and their offspring living during the mil.
 
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KnowMe

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Now wars have little purpose.
US young men maimed and die for what? A poppy field in afganistan?
Well they have probably caused more negative than positive, but some positive has come about there doesn’t need to be caliphate
 
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Well they have probably caused more negative than positive, but some positive has come about there doesn’t need to be caliphate
I was impressed by the kurdish women fighters.
They run out of ammo in firefights and die. They save 1 bullet they wear around their neck to shoot themselves in the head. They are tortured if captured.
 
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KnowMe

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I was impressed by the kurdish women fighters.
They run out of ammo in firefights and die. They save 1 bullet they wear around their neck to shoot themselves in the head. They are tortured if captured.
Hmm I didn’t know that, but what seems a little odd is, what is a bullet around the neck good for if the person doesn’t have a gun, if captured the enemy wouldn’t allow them to keep their gun.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Interesting... So you believe the millennial Kingdom will be filled with both those who were raptured and those who accepted Christ during the tribulation.
Right. (this is not to say that we ["the Church which is His body" who will have been "raptured" well-before the start of the MK] will permanently RESIDE on the earth then, not sure, but I believe we will "RETURN" WITH Him, for its inauguration, for I believe that is what "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" is: the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom, or at least its inauguration [location: on the earth])

But, those who are saved during the tribulation will not be transfigured?
Here's what I see about that: Martha was talking with Jesus (about Lazarus's death) and refers to "in the last day" (she well-knew of THIS "resurrection"!) And Jesus responds with:

" 23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at [in en] the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die [and I believe the Greek phrase adds "unto the age [singular]" (*seen in some versions)]. Believest thou this? 27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world. " John 11:25-26 esp.


Recall, Jesus Himself will be reigning / ruling (until the last enemy that shall be destroyed ['death'] is destroyed) and His "judgment" (for THESE) is "LIVE" / "NEVER DIE" (and I believe that means "forever," as we know it, but also in particular [since they are in mortal bodies still at the time (for the MK age) that this especially means "for this entire span of earthly time period+" (the MK age)] ;) Now, what happens after the MK, I'm not sure... but where 1Cor15:51-53 speaks of "I show you a mystery: [...]" and then speaks specifically of "for THIS corruptible" and "THIS mortal" (and then speaks of the "last trumpet" change), that THIS context [not the wider context of chpt 15 on the whole], this immediate context, refers SOLELY to "the Church which is His body" (at the time of our "Rapture"... and to whom the "Rapture/Departure" SOLELY pertains).


[ "(*seen in some versions)," and seen at both BibleHub as well as BlueLetterBible, which sites usually show a difference IF there IS one; Also, I believe the phrase "the Last Day" is not a singular 24-hr day, but the resurrection Martha was referring to (and well-knew about, as all OT saints did) takes place on a singular 24-hr day of course, at the time surrounding His Second Coming to the earth / "RETURN" to the earth, FOR the MK]