Why Christians get a bad rap amongst the Jews...(an example)

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HAHAHHAH You should see me when I lay it on myself HAHAHAH I cut myself less slack than I do anyone on here ;)

Yep,I feel ya. Do the same thing to myself. But at least we aren't hypocritical about it and hold ourselves to the same or higher standard. Pat yourself on the back ;)
 

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What does that have to do with Gen 12:3?
In the Scripture you gave your still seeing Gods Israel and Zionism as synonyms of each other I was not going to give any other sources but you still think Israel is something when the Jewish Rabbi's say it is not. https://www.truetorahjews.org/whatiszionism
https://www.truetorahjews.org/tags/rabbinic-quotations

The political party https://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/04/opinion/is-zionism-today-the-real-enemy-of-the-jews-yes.html in Israel is not the Sanhedrin and do not make political decisions based on the Torah or God. It is a curse to say somthing else other than the one in Genesis 12:3 is because it is not even if the UN says so.
 

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In the Scripture you gave your still seeing Gods Israel and Zionism as synonyms of each other I was not going to give any other sources but you still think Israel is something when the Jewish Rabbi's say it is not. https://www.truetorahjews.org/whatiszionism
https://www.truetorahjews.org/tags/rabbinic-quotations

The political party https://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/04/opinion/is-zionism-today-the-real-enemy-of-the-jews-yes.html in Israel is not the Sanhedrin and do not make political decisions based on the Torah or God. It is a curse to say somthing else other than the one in Genesis 12:3 is because it is not even if the UN says so.
I believe what God's word says about the issue over man's. His unconditional promise still stands over the opinions of man,,,

And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
(Gen 12:3)

The attack on Zionism is the new antisemitism, hailed by the terrorists against Israel and it's people the Jews.
 

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I believe what God's word says about the issue over man's. His unconditional promise still stands over the opinions of man,,,

And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
(Gen 12:3)

The attack on Zionism is the new antisemitism, hailed by the terrorists against Israel and it's people the Jews.

Why would you think that the Jews themselves would attack them then? You did notice that they were actuall Jewish rabbis right? How can a Jewish rabbi be antisemetic if they are Jewish? It would be kind of like some one sticking their tongue out at their self in the mirror.
 

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Why would you think that the Jews themselves would attack them then? You did notice that they were actuall Jewish rabbis right? How can a Jewish rabbi be antisemetic if they are Jewish? It would be kind of like some one sticking their tongue out at their self in the mirror.
Because of their antisemitism is no excuse for us to be. In ancient Israel, there were plenty that worshiped false Gods and many opposed Jesus during His ministry. Is that what you want? to follow those that oppose God's Promises??
 

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Because of their antisemitism is no excuse for us to be. In ancient Israel, there were plenty that worshiped false Gods and many opposed Jesus during His ministry. Is that what you want? to follow those that oppose God's Promises??

So did you read any of the letters written by the Rabbi's from the link I gave? You ask me if this is what I want as if I was one of the Jewish Rabbi's I've already told you I an Christian.

It's so much easier to pretend I suppose that Israel was again restored to the Jewish people in 1948 and is now a theocracy when instead it was appointed another Heroedian king over it instead https://www.truetorahjews.org/rabbimiller but by the UN this time. Surely one day the Jewish people I love will rule that place and the Christian people I love will see it until then one pretends it is so while the other desires it. Their antisemitism,,,the Jewish Rabbi's?
 

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So did you read any of the letters written by the Rabbi's from the link I gave? You ask me if this is what I want as if I was one of the Jewish Rabbi's I've already told you I an Christian.

It's so much easier to pretend I suppose that Israel was again restored to the Jewish people in 1948 and is now a theocracy when instead it was appointed another Heroedian king over it instead https://www.truetorahjews.org/rabbimiller but by the UN this time. Surely one day the Jewish people I love will rule that place and the Christian people I love will see it until then one pretends it is so while the other desires it. Their antisemitism,,,the Jewish Rabbi's?
God uses nations and Kings to bring about His purposes (e.g. reestablishing the State of Israel through the agency of the UN.). No, it is not a theocracy, neither does Ezek 37-39 picture it as such but that doesn't mean it is outside God's greater purpose for them. One day it will be ruled by King Jesus but until His return, things are happening as scheduled, as the hatred continues and more and more are making Aliyah, soon I suspect a throng will be leaving the U.S. to flee persecution as well.
It is the conservative evangelicals with their dispensational outlook that have been the greater friends of Israel, not ones doubting the validity of their existence as a State in their own Land...the Land God promised them thousands of years ago.
 
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In the Scripture you gave your still seeing Gods Israel and Zionism as synonyms of each other I was not going to give any other sources but you still think Israel is something when the Jewish Rabbi's say it is not. https://www.truetorahjews.org/whatiszionism
https://www.truetorahjews.org/tags/rabbinic-quotations

The political party https://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/04/opinion/is-zionism-today-the-real-enemy-of-the-jews-yes.html in Israel is not the Sanhedrin and do not make political decisions based on the Torah or God. It is a curse to say somthing else other than the one in Genesis 12:3 is because it is not even if the UN says so.

Does not matter what Rabbi's say. The land belongs to the Jewish people. They are gathering back the land from all over the world. Jew hatred is rising quickly all over the world and unfortunately in the US. When Israel became a nation again in 1948 it is the nation born in a day that the Bible spoke of. The desert is blooming, God will keep his promise to the Jewish people. His everlasting promise. Slipping in a biased NY times article doesn't really make a point, they are anti- Jew too.
 

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God uses nations and Kings to bring about His purposes (e.g. reestablishing the State of Israel through the agency of the UN.). No, it is not a theocracy, neither does Ezek 37-39 picture it as such but that doesn't mean it is outside God's greater purpose for them. One day it will be ruled by King Jesus but until His return, things are happening as scheduled, as the hatred continues and more and more are making Aliyah, soon I suspect a throng will be leaving the U.S. to flee persecution as well.
It is the conservative evangelicals with their dispensational outlook that have been the greater friends of Israel, not ones doubting the validity of their existence as a State in their own Land...the Land God promised them thousands of years ago.

Now you mention Aliyah that's good it tells me you are looking. I looked into that mine own self because of my Hebrew heritage(my wife's is more documented than mine I'm mixed) but there was 1st,2nd 3rd Aliyah's rules and they are different so we would have to denounce Christianity and convert to Judaism or if we did choose not to then our children would be considered bastard and we would not qualify for the same rights as them. I'm not going to deny Christ.lol. Here's another rabbi's letter https://www.truetorahjews.org/rabbiblau
 
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In the Scripture you gave your still seeing Gods Israel and Zionism as synonyms of each other I was not going to give any other sources but you still think Israel is something when the Jewish Rabbi's say it is not. https://www.truetorahjews.org/whatiszionism
https://www.truetorahjews.org/tags/rabbinic-quotations

The political party https://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/04/opinion/is-zionism-today-the-real-enemy-of-the-jews-yes.html in Israel is not the Sanhedrin and do not make political decisions based on the Torah or God. It is a curse to say somthing else other than the one in Genesis 12:3 is because it is not even if the UN says so.
Victor Miller (Avigdor Miller) made other statements as well.

Have you read some of them?

"Hitler was not only sent by Heaven, but was sent as a kindness from Heaven...Because assimilation and intermarriage are worse than death...and the German Jews and others ignored the Torah-teachers and refused to desist from their mad race into assimilation, the Nazis were sent to prevent them and rescue them before they were swallowed up by the nations. "

Miller stated that the victims of the Kent State shootings were "bums and they deserved to be shot."

Miller had sharp views about African Americans and the apartheid in South Africa. Of Abraham Lincoln he stated “... I hold it against him that he set free the blacks. Don’t think it’s being prejudiced, the blacks were doing wonderful. They were learning to be decent and civilized under their white masters.”

Probably not the best source to build a case with.
Just sayin.......
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Some food for thought...

Are all Zionists not sons of Abraham?

Are all Zionists not included in the promises God made to Abraham?

Romans 11:25-29
For I would not, brethren, have you ignorant of this mystery, lest ye be wise in your own conceits, that a hardening in part hath befallen Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in;

26and so all Israel shall be saved: even as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer; He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27And this is my covenant unto them, When I shall take away their sins.

28As touching the gospel, they are enemies for your sake: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sake. 29For the gifts and the calling of God are without repentance.
 

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Does not matter what Rabbi's say. The land belongs to the Jewish people. They are gathering back the land from all over the world. Jew hatred is rising quickly all over the world and unfortunately in the US. When Israel became a nation again in 1948 it is the nation born in a day that the Bible spoke of. The desert is blooming, God will keep his promise to the Jewish people. His everlasting promise. Slipping in a biased NY times article doesn't really make a point, they are anti- Jew too.

Actually there are about as many Jewish people in the US as their are in Israel but because of birth rates it goes back and forth.
 

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Victor Miller (Avigdor Miller) made other statements as well.

Have you read some of them?

"Hitler was not only sent by Heaven, but was sent as a kindness from Heaven...Because assimilation and intermarriage are worse than death...and the German Jews and others ignored the Torah-teachers and refused to desist from their mad race into assimilation, the Nazis were sent to prevent them and rescue them before they were swallowed up by the nations. "

Miller stated that the victims of the Kent State shootings were "bums and they deserved to be shot."

Miller had sharp views about African Americans and the apartheid in South Africa. Of Abraham Lincoln he stated “... I hold it against him that he set free the blacks. Don’t think it’s being prejudiced, the blacks were doing wonderful. They were learning to be decent and civilized under their white masters.”

Probably not the best source to build a case with.
Just sayin.......
Source

Some food for thought...

Are all Zionists not sons of Abraham?

Are all Zionists not included in the promises God made to Abraham?

Romans 11:25-29.
For I would not, brethren, have you ignorant of this mystery, lest ye be wise in your own conceits, that a hardening in part hath befallen Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in;

26and so all Israel shall be saved: even as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer; He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27And this is my covenant unto them, When I shall take away their sins.

28As touching the gospel, they are enemies for your sake: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sake. 29For the gifts and the calling of God are without repentance.

No Ive never heard of him...I have no hatred or prejudice against anyone
 
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Actually there are about as many Jewish people in the US as their are in Israel but because of birth rates it goes back and forth.

But my point is anti-Jew hatred is on the rise in the US The liberal party is not standing up to anti-Semitism in their party. Times are quickly changing for the Jewish people. I believe they will begin to return to Israel.
 

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Now you mention Aliyah that's good it tells me you are looking. I looked into that mine own self because of my Hebrew heritage(my wife's is more documented than mine I'm mixed) but there was 1st,2nd 3rd Aliyah's rules and they are different so we would have to denounce Christianity and convert to Judaism or if we did choose not to then our children would be considered bastard and we would not qualify for the same rights as them. I'm not going to deny Christ.lol. Here's another rabbi's letter https://www.truetorahjews.org/rabbiblau
I was speaking of non_Christian Jews. Christians will have their own flavor of persecution. We are not to go aliyah but go into all the world with the Gospel.
I already realize there are anti-Zionist Orthodox Rabbis, I also know the Jewish community has many pro-Zionist Rabbis. I also know that the Jewish community has more views on any one topic than there are Jews discussing that topic. lol
 

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I was speaking of non_Christian Jews. Christians will have their own flavor of persecution. We are not to go aliyah but go into all the world with the Gospel.
I already realize there are anti-Zionist Orthodox Rabbis, I also know the Jewish community has many pro-Zionist Rabbis. I also know that the Jewish community has more views on any one topic than there are Jews discussing that topic. lol

Then you should have known that the Orthodox Jews consider their own selves prisoners within their own nation and Zionist as of Satan,,,now it is a wilful choice...and not by force.
 

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Then you should have known that the Orthodox Jews consider their own selves prisoners within their own nation and Zionist as of Satan,,,now it is a wilful choice...and not by force.
Yes, I realized that and I also know they had some choice words when addressing Jesus, but again, let me remind you...

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
(Rom 11:28)
 

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Yes, I realized that and I also know they had some choice words when addressing Jesus, but again, let me remind you...

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
(Rom 11:28)
You know I agreed with EG when he gave the same Scripture that they were enemys of the Gospel but now will deceiving the Christians into believing that the current Israel is the fulfillment of Gods Israel not slay the saints who do believe(they will wilfully take the mark if they believe it true)? The Othardox Jews if you realize it as you said are not confused by it.