The Son of Man came eating and drinking

(Matt 11:19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Look at him, a glutton and a drunk, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' But wisdom is vindicated by her deeds.")

This puts the teetotalers in a somewhat bad kind of light.

Before drawing any such conclusion what are the facts?

1. Did the enemies of Christ constantly accuse Him falsely or not?

2. Is it credible that the sinless Son of God would be a glutton and a drunkard?

3. Was this accusation made because of envy and jealousy rather than any attempt at the truth?

The context shows Christ comparing John the Baptist with Himself. John was an austere man and an ascetic and was falsely accused of having a demon. Christ freely mingled with sinful people and the dregs of society in order to bring them to Himself and was falsely accused of gluttony and drunkenness. Having meals with sinners was not being a glutton or a drunkard. That would have totally undermined what He was trying to accomplish. What the Lord was showing in this passage is that the fault-finders and naysayers would find any old excuse to revile Him and reject Him. That is why He pronounced woes on Chorazin, Bethsaida, and Capernaum.

Gee, I do not touch liquor in any form as a rule, though I do cook with it, an every year or so when it is good and hot, I have a beer. At least I try to have one. There is nothing wrong with embibing in anything while it does not control the imbiber……….God bless you, cheers.

Wine in the Bible can mean fermented or unfermented grape juice.

Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

John the Baptist could not drink any alcohol for he was to prepare the way for Jesus, and he was filled with the Holy Ghost from his mother's womb.

So you know Jesus did not drink alcohol for He was conceived by the Spirit.

Pro 31:4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink.

The Bible says it is not for princes or kings to drink alcohol, and Jesus is the Prince of peace, and the King of kings, and has made all the saints kings and priests unto God the Father, so they should not drink alcohol.

Also the Holy Spirit is our Comforter so what so we need alcohol for which is a fleshy pleasure.

The Pharisees accused Jesus of many things because they did not believe on Him, even saying that He cast out devils by Beelzebub, the prince of the devils, but that is not true.

If someone opposes someone they will clutch at straws to find fault for they want to put them down, and beat their opposition.

Pro 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Pro 23:29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?
Pro 23:30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.
Pro 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
Pro 23:32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
Pro 23:33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.
Pro 23:35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.

Do not drink the grape juice when it ferments.

It might of been alright in the Old Testament to drink wine for they did not have the Spirit, but I do not see how it applies in the New Testament, and even in the Old Testament God did not recommend it.

If God allowed us to drink a little alcohol, but do not get drunk, that would be a temptation, and God is not tempted with evil, nor does He tempt any person.

For it does not make sense to be able to drink a little alcohol when it could lead to more, for God did not say you can kiss a woman not your wife, but do not fornicate, but you have no sexual contact with her at all, or you can steal a piece of bubblegum, but do not steal a car, but stealing is stealing.

But regardless what a person believes about alcohol Jesus did not drink alcohol, for if John the Baptist who was filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb could not drink alcohol, for it was not permitted of the Lord, then Jesus who was conceived by the Holy Spirit could not drink alcohol.

And if the saints receive the Spirit, and are born again, and the kingdom of God is within them, then they should not drink alcohol.

Also God said His will be done on earth as it is in heaven, and they are not up there in heaven drinking alcohol, and they are not sinning either, and the ones that did are not there anymore.

I do not see how alcohol can apply when someone has the Holy Spirit who is the Comforter, for are they saying that the Holy Spirit failed at comforting them, are they saying that alcohol can comfort them better than the Holy Spirit.

Which the Spirit gives us power, love, and a sound mind, peace that passes all understanding, joy that no person can take away, rest for your souls, and spiritual rest.

What do they need alcohol for.

But the Bible says that some have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, which they are led of the flesh, so they would like alcohol for they do not have the comfort of the Holy Spirit, which they are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, and alcohol is a fleshy pleasure, for it has nothing to do with being spiritual, which is testified that it impairs people physically.

Because Jesus ate with the sinners did not make Him a glutton, and a drunkard, but because He ate with sinners the Pharisees accused Him of the same thing the sinners were doing.

For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon!’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ Yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds.”
MATTHEW 11:18‭-‬19 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/mat.11.18-19.NASB

"The son of mam came eating and drinking".

For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon!’ The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’
LUKE 7:33‭-‬34 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/luk.7.33-34.NASB

Bread and wine both have in common yeast.
John didn't partake there of.
Jesus by his own words says he did.

On the third day there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there; and both Jesus and His disciples were invited to the wedding. When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus *said to Him, “They have no wine.” And Jesus *said to her, “Woman, what does that have to do with us? My hour has not yet come.” His mother *said to the servants, “Whatever He says to you, do it.” Now there were six stone waterpots set there for the Jewish custom of purification, containing twenty or thirty gallons each. Jesus *said to them, “Fill the waterpots with water.” So they filled them up to the brim. And He *said to them, “Draw some out now and take it to the headwaiter.” So they took it to him. When the headwaiter tasted the water which had become wine, and did not know where it came from (but the servants who had drawn the water knew), the headwaiter *called the bridegroom, and *said to him, “Every man serves the good wine first, and when the people have drunk freely, then he serves the poorer wine; but you have kept the good wine until now.” This beginning of His signs Jesus did in Cana of Galilee, and manifested His glory, and His disciples believed in Him.
JOHN 2:1‭-‬11 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/jhn.2.1-11.NASB


No please just read this with out manipulating the context to fit your own thinking. Let the scripture say what it say.

HAHAH a can-o-worms........................watch the hyper religious come play with this one......

Simple truth

Jesus made wine
Jesus drank wine
Paul told Timothy to drink wine
Proverbs tells to give strong drink to those down cast or about to be destroyed
Wine makes the heart merry
ALL things are lawful though not expedient
There is nothing wrong with drinking
Don't be a drunk
Don't cause a weaker brother to stumble
Moses made wine, got drunk and was not condemned

A summation but true nonetheless.........

As a Jew, Jesus would not have eaten pork products. Breakfast might have been boring.

I'm glad we're aren't under the Law... because... bacon.

Just for thought how the Bible defines the word wine.

Numbers 6
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When either man or woman shall separate themselves to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the Lord:
3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
4 All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk.

The context is anything from the vine. There is a distinct difference made between wine and strong drink. Wine is juice from the grape. Strong drink is referring to wine that has been fermented, fermented grape juice.

Through the context where the word wine is used, one must determine the correct usage. For example:

Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

The context of wine here is strong drink. The Bible says it will mock you, deceive you.

Another passage commands the reader not to even look upon it.

What makes you think our Lord would not eat pork? Or would for that matter. Does He not teach all that nothing by entering the body can defile it? It is what proceeds from that heart that defiles, murders, adulteries, lusts of all sorts…….

He opens the eys of the blind to the law so that all who understand it are fee indeed. His grace and mercy is eternal and free for those who believe. God bless you always.

Whenever the subject turns to drinking, I remember the wedding where Jesus thought "now that everybody's buzzed let's bring out the good stuff"

When I think of the wedding I am reminded by the water to wine that the water and the wine can and do represent life. We all experience the ordinary life, the ater, but when the whine comes life becomes truly living by th blood of Jesus, that is, His Blood always.

"now that everybody's buzzed let's bring out the good stuff" [/QUOTE]

That's not what he said and you know it. That's more what the wedding co-ordinator thought. That's why he questioned Jesus most likely.

Wisdom Is vindicated by deeds that man does to show truth that another man looking on can understand BUT GOD does not have to vindicate himself by doing deeds.

Remember that GOD was manifested In the flesh and a man could See JESUS and See HIS good works knowing that only GOD could do those works but JESUS did these visible works NOT that HE needed to prove to HIMSELF that HIS works were true but HE did these works for man that recognizes the truth by his senses.

Jesus was not called a winebibber because he drank unfermented grape juice.....nor does HE contradict himself with JOHN, who came NOT drinking, because he drank grape juice.........

I would have to go with @Dino246 on this one....why? Because JESUS was born, lived and died under the LAW.....the New Covenant was not ratified until his death..............

In fact wine in moderation was safer to drink than water due to alcohols ability kill microscopic parasites and bacteria that was in unpurified water. The puritans drank beer on the Mayflower for cryin' out loud!

In a nation of the chronically offended, people need to learn how to take a joke. Sheesh.

One way of paraphrasing Jesus' words regarding John the Baptist and Himself is: "You can't please everyone".

I think all things are lawful for me but all things are not beneficial. I will not be controlled by anything that's a bad paraphrase I know but that scripture applies.
Beneficial is the operative word here because Paul was talking about the work of spreading the gospel. And then controlled by a thing is the other operative.
In short ...
If you can't use wisdom then the rule is no.